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    Re: McCain calls for US-led airstrikes on Assad forces

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I don't think it's a question of not supporting the Syrian people. Rather, it seems to me, it's a question of how difficult the mission would be. In Libya the rebels made some legitimate military gains on their own, indicating that they could do the heavy lifting if they just had air support. In Syria ... not so much.

    Was that after the French officially recognized them without telling anybody for two days? Or after Qatar and UAE set up a bank for them?

    McCain is all about catering to the Neo-Cons and that NWO.



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    It's like everything else in life, if you don't practice it you will never be any good at it. We need to remain a waring nation and declaring oureslves to be keepers of the peace and gladiators for democracy. Only through the threat of total annihilation will the tyrants of the world concede.
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    Re: McCain calls for US-led airstrikes on Assad forces

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    It's like everything else in life, if you don't practice it you will never be any good at it. We need to remain a waring nation and declaring oureslves to be keepers of the peace and gladiators for democracy. Only through the threat of total annihilation will the tyrants of the world concede.
    And who is going to pay for this? I suppose you want another tax cut for the wealthy to go along with our next war too. I support a war surcharge of 50% of all income earned over 1 million $ . Still want to be policemen for the world?

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    Aaaaaaaaaah.....man has been killing man since the beginning of time. You can correlate this to the Greek Hydra but with a twist. Our Version has technology, which means it's even harder to kill. So what we kill those here now......10 more rise up that we know nothing about.

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    Re: McCain calls for US-led airstrikes on Assad forces

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I don't think it's a question of not supporting the Syrian people. Rather, it seems to me, it's a question of how difficult the mission would be. In Libya the rebels made some legitimate military gains on their own, indicating that they could do the heavy lifting if they just had air support. In Syria ... not so much.
    I don't recall any, "legitimate military gains", by the Libyan webels, before they started getting outside support.
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    Re: McCain calls for US-led airstrikes on Assad forces

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's been less than a year. True...we're not sure how exactly it will turn out but uncertainty isn't a reason (imo) to sit on the sidelines while dictators kill people. I mean...that is the whole basis behind why we are exceptional. We're supposedly a country that pushes Democracy and the right of individuals to freely choose their governments...we're supposed to be different from past empires that supported proxy dictators.
    Democracy can and should be advocated through non-military means. Military force won't necessarily lead to democracy. Regime change won't necessarily lead to democracy. Developing and sustaining democracy is a complex process that is largely home-grown.

    The decision to undertake military action is not a light one. Lives can, and often are, lost in the process. Resources are also limited and in the looming era of austerity, difficult funding decisions lie ahead. Military action should be undertaken when no reasonable non-military alternatives exist, critical national interests are at stake, a country (or key ally) has been attacked or is under a credible, imminent threat of attack, and/or perhaps some situation with profound human consequences is underway.

    Most would-be humanitarian interventions don't meet such criteria. IMO, Somalia didn't during the 1990s. Neither does Syria today. Civil conflict is not confined to Syria. Numerous parts of the world continue to experience civil conflict coupled with gruesome crimes against humanity. Genocide is the single humanitarian case that rises to the level where military action could be justified on humanitarian grounds alone. As brutal as the Assad regime has been against its foes, genocide is not underway nor is it imminent.

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    Re: McCain calls for US-led airstrikes on Assad forces

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't recall any, "legitimate military gains", by the Libyan webels, before they started getting outside support.
    Your recollection is not very good.

    By 23 February, Gaddafi was suffering from the resignations and defections of close allies,[234] from the loss of Benghazi,[235] the fall of Tobruk, Misrata, Bayda, Zawiya, Zuwara, Sabratha, Sorman,[234][236] and mounting international isolation and pressure.[234][237][238] By the end of February, Gaddafi's government had lost control of a significant part of Libya, including the major cities of Misrata and Benghazi, and the important harbors at Ra's Lanuf and Brega.[239][240] But in March, Gaddafi's forces pushed the rebels back and eventually reached Benghazi[241][242] and Misrata.
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    Re: McCain calls for US-led airstrikes on Assad forces

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Don't think I am a heartless uncaring person, because I am not. But I just can't get myself worked up enough to have the calvary charge over the hill to save the day for the very people who would love to see America burn to the ground. I think it's time for some other nations around the globe to step up. I got no dog in this fight myself. But I can see how, in time, I might. I hope my dog stays out of the fight though.
    Who says we have to go it alone? In fact, I doubt we'd do much of the heavy lifting at all. Turkey would almost certainly be willing to put troops on the ground to enforce humanitarian corridors. But they wouldn't consider it without foreign air support (read: US air support). I agree with Mccain insofar that we should move towards establishing safe zones, enforced by the military. But such an endeavor is going to take quite a while to coalesce politically. Realisitically any such action would need to be given the full support of Turkey and the Arab League. Turkey is basically there, only certain details would need to be worked out before they gave the thumbs up. The Arab League is not quite there, but is definitely moving that direction, especially following the ratcheting up of violence in recent weeks.

    In the meantime, the best thing we can do diplomatically speaking is to keep applying pressure to Russia. As I mentioned before, convincing Russia to drop Assad is certainly not impossible and really just a matter of time. I mean take a look at China (who also vetoed the UN resolution along with Russia and Iran). China is now starting to indicate that they would be willing to support a UN peacekeeping measure. If China switching sides, that will leave Russia in a VERY uncomfortable position. Russia has already voiced concerns about the regime and is scrambling to arrange and mediate talks between Assad and the opposition, before Assad dooms himself.

    Furthermore, if the West lays a legitimate threat of using force on the table, I'm willing to bet that will be a much stronger incentive for Assad to open talks than any of the carrots he's been offered so far. He has no intentions of ending up with like Gaddafi - with a free steak knife colonoscopy. Right now, Assad's best bet for survival is to utilize his military advantage over the largely unarmed, unorganized masses. And that means Assad is banking on the West not stepping in.

    So far he's been right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I agree with DiAnna, either way we lose. The majority sunni population is aligned with al Qaeda and the Alawi Shia Assad regime is aligned with the nut jobs in Iran. Lets supply the sunni with weapons so they can kill each other.
    Were is the proof of the Al aeda connection? You do know that group throws its hat in with any sunni group who actively fights Shia governments and the west right?

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    Re: McCain calls for US-led airstrikes on Assad forces

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't recall any, "legitimate military gains", by the Libyan webels, before they started getting outside support.
    They took a few towns while the army refused to engage civilians. They held their own against the hired mercs. They only started losing when the air force agreed to bomb the crap out of them and civilians.

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