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    Re: Bob Kerrey bid causes left to lash out

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    He's a moderate former Democrat who's pretty much persona non-grata in the Democratic Party. Yes, he was effectively kicked out of the Democratic Party IN that primary in favor of a non-moderate; the state of Connecticut saw things another way and elected him anyway.

    Which, I say again, is part of the point. The Democrats have purged their moderates in exactly the same way the Republicans have purged theirs.
    Lieberman sold out the Dems for Israel. He liked the war in Iraq and all the Neocon BS too much to be a Dem...all because Israel liked it too. That's why he supported McCain too. It was his choice, he "purged" himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It does not seem to me in this article that the democrats are willing to go middle of the road. Bob Kerry is a moderate and they hate him
    it's certainly not just the Democrats. the Republicans have pilloried moderates like Olympia Snowe to the point that she has decided to quit.

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    Re: Bob Kerrey bid causes left to lash out

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Lieberman sold out the Dems for Israel. He liked the war in Iraq and all the Neocon BS too much to be a Dem...all because Israel liked it too. That's why he supported McCain too. It was his choice, he "purged" himself.
    The Democrats of Connecticut disagree. They showed him the door.

    Your post, of course, isn't exactly "moderate," so if you say "good riddance," then you, too help make my point for me.
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    Re: Bob Kerrey bid causes left to lash out

    It's very possible anyone opposed to Keystone XL (through the sandhills) will get the nod. Anyone know how Kerrey stands?

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    Re: Bob Kerrey bid causes left to lash out

    The comparison of Bob Kerrey to Joe Lieberman is fallacious. The Democrats can and do welcome moderates like Bob Kerrey and Ben Nelson...in places like Nebraska, where electing a moderate is the best that Democrats can hope for. Joe Lieberman, on the other hand, represents Connecticut. I don't blame the Democrats of Connecticut one bit for mounting a primary challenge against him. Connecticut is the type of state where a more liberal Democrat can get elected.
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    Re: Bob Kerrey bid causes left to lash out

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The comparison of Bob Kerrey to Joe Lieberman is fallacious. The Democrats can and do welcome moderates like Bob Kerrey and Ben Nelson...in places like Nebraska, where electing a moderate is the best that Democrats can hope for. Joe Lieberman, on the other hand, represents Connecticut. I don't blame the Democrats of Connecticut one bit for mounting a primary challenge against him. Connecticut is the type of state where a more liberal Democrat can get elected.
    What you describe is not an example of a "fallacy." (And I never actually compared them, besides.)

    It's interesting, though, that you appear to consider moderates to be necessary evils.
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    Re: Bob Kerrey bid causes left to lash out

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's interesting, though, that you appear to consider moderates to be necessary evils.
    Well sure. I'd rather have a moderate Democrat from Nebraska, who will at least occasionally provide an extra vote for progressive legislation, than a conservative Republican from Nebraska, who almost never will. I'd also rather have a liberal Democrat than a moderate Democrat, but that just isn't in the cards for a state like Nebraska.
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    Re: Bob Kerrey bid causes left to lash out

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well sure. I'd rather have a moderate Democrat from Nebraska, who will at least occasionally provide an extra vote for progressive legislation, than a conservative Republican from Nebraska, who almost never will. I'd also rather have a liberal Democrat than a moderate Democrat, but that just isn't in the cards for a state like Nebraska.
    Then this, too, helps make my point.
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    Re: Bob Kerrey bid causes left to lash out

    As I see it, it's all about the idea of the Median Voter. The empirical evidence is fairly clear that candidates who are near the ideological center of their constituency tend to do better in elections than those who are farther from the ideological center. So if we use William F. Buckley's rule and assume that Republicans want to nominate the most conservative candidate who is electable, and Democrats want to nominate the most liberal candidate who is electable, then it just makes sense for Democrats to support people like Bob Kerrey and Ben Nelson in places like Nebraska. They are definitely to the left of Nebraska's ideological center, but not so far to the left that they are unelectable.

    Conversely, it makes less sense for Democrats to nominate someone like Joe Lieberman. Connecticut's ideological center is FAR to the left of Nebraska's...and probably to the left of Lieberman himself. It would make much more sense for the Democrats to nominate a true liberal in Connecticut.
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    Re: Bob Kerrey bid causes left to lash out

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As I see it, it's all about the idea of the Median Voter. The empirical evidence is fairly clear that candidates who are near the ideological center of their constituency tend to do better in elections than those who are farther from the ideological center. So if we use William F. Buckley's rule and assume that Republicans want to nominate the most conservative candidate who is electable, and Democrats want to nominate the most liberal candidate who is electable, then it just makes sense for Democrats to support people like Bob Kerrey and Ben Nelson in places like Nebraska. They are definitely to the left of Nebraska's ideological center, but not so far to the left that they are unelectable.

    Conversely, it makes less sense for Democrats to nominate someone like Joe Lieberman. Connecticut's ideological center is FAR to the left of Nebraska's...and probably to the left of Lieberman himself. It would make much more sense for the Democrats to nominate a true liberal in Connecticut.
    Well, I got it the first time you said it.

    However, both the Republicans and the Democrats are currently more interested in immoderate ideological purity than electability. If they happen to get both, then it's more a function of happenstance than philosophy.
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