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    Re: Volt production on hold for 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Given that in many parts of Europe gas is at c.$8 a gallon, the Ampera should be kicking ass, and it ain't.
    That's because the Ampera costs €43 000+ (that's $57 000+ !!!). WTF? It's insane, the price is almost double that in the US!
    I don't get.

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    Re: Volt production on hold for 5 weeks

    Electric cars aren't that more environmentally friendly anyway, since where does the electricity come from? Fossil fuels mostly, we need to find another energy source, not just rearrange how we power things.
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    Re: Volt production on hold for 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Electric cars aren't that more environmentally friendly anyway, since where does the electricity come from? Fossil fuels mostly, we need to find another energy source, not just rearrange how we power things.
    I've been saying that for years. There was a study done as well saying particulate matter is actually worse from electrics and hybrids. Less CO2 mind you but more carcinogens and other pollutants due to the materials needed for the battery and recharge systems
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    Re: Volt production on hold for 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    The volt is a bad idea.. Sure if it got what it was originally thoght to get milage wise, then yeah maybe, but it fell wayyyy short of that 200 MPH estimate.. Besides, aren't most of GM"s Volt sales to government entities anyway? How many have actually been sold to private citizens? Even at $5 a gallon the Volt, doesn't make sense with its price tag at $33K after the "rebate"... It would take you 12 years of owning the vehicle before you saw a return on the investment. Who do you know has a 12 year old car?

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    I thought most people bought cars because they liked them and could afford them.

    I bought a IBM desktop computer in 1996 that had a 10GB hard drive and 8MB of RAM for $1200. Now look at how much the prices have come down. You can get a laptop with 750GB HDD and 4GB RAM for half that price.

    If GM can hang on a few years, costs will come down and the Volt will be more affordable.
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    Re: Volt production on hold for 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    It may have something to do with this:

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    An updated inventory would be better. Auto sales in February were the best in four years.

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    Re: Volt production on hold for 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    That's because the Ampera costs €43 000+ (that's $57 000+ !!!). WTF? It's insane, the price is almost double that in the US!
    I don't get.
    Cars in Europe generally cost much more than in the US, even European marques. A Golf, for example, starts at $17,995 in the US, but here in Spain it starts at €18,820 ($24,839).

    Car use and ownership has always been quite different either side of the Atlantic. Hicup asked who drives a 12-year-old car and here I'd guess about a third of cars on the road will be at least 10 years old. People keep their cars a long time and drive them until they start to cost more to repair than they are worth. I drive a 12 year old car and it is starting to show its age but is still economical, runs great and has never let me down. I will probably change it this year, but buy a second-hand car of about 4-5 years old with about 30,000 miles on the clock. I'll drive that one too until it starts to let me down. I don't think it will be American though. I believe that they start to fall apart after 3-4 years. It'll be Japanese, European or Korean. Cars built to last.
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    Re: Volt production on hold for 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Then why exactly are we subsidizing 10k of the sticker? If thats the demographic they dont need the subsidy, they ought to be ready to pay a higher price for a ****in status symbol.
    You're not subsidizing anything. Buyers get a tax credit to help increase sales. Eventually the cars will become cheaper and more affordable. Sooner ir later we're going to need to wean ourselves from oil, and the Volt and cars like it will help.

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    Re: Volt production on hold for 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The car is not selling well and it really is an expensive **** box.
    According to reviews, it's the best in upscale midsize cars.

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    Re: Volt production on hold for 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Electric cars aren't that more environmentally friendly anyway, since where does the electricity come from? Fossil fuels mostly, we need to find another energy source, not just rearrange how we power things.
    It only takes 16 kWh to fully charge a Volt or around $1.60-$1.80 which is good for 35 miles. Try to get that kind of economy from a gas engine. It's almost half of a car that gets 50 mpg.

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    Re: Volt production on hold for 5 weeks

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Electric cars aren't that more environmentally friendly anyway, since where does the electricity come from? Fossil fuels mostly, we need to find another energy source, not just rearrange how we power things.
    Hydro, nuclear, wind, solar... But even if it is fossil burning, it's much easier to put a filter on the factory chimney than on the exhaust of every car. Well, at least we won't breathe dirty air in the city with EVs. I also think we will soon discover cheap electricity sources and technologies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Cars in Europe generally cost much more than in the US, even European marques. A Golf, for example, starts at $17,995 in the US, but here in Spain it starts at €18,820 ($24,839).
    Yeah, makes me wonder.
    My VW is 14 years old too but it's more like a toy to me, especially now with these gas prices in Europe.
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