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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Indeed. By the same token, he wasn't any less of an "extremist" in the 2 to 4 weeks prior to that when he went from way down to actually looking like a potential winner of Michigan.

    Which is why I think his "extremism" wasn't so much what cost him as it was his handling of his message and the things that his camp were putting out there / not managing well when they got out there.
    I think what hurt him was simply the fact that more people were paying attention to what he's been saying all along. Sort of like all the other nonRomney's before him.

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    I just don't get this mentallity coming from some people in the right. So just because Romney is not far right enough or conservative enough by some people's standards, they will simply give Obama another 4 year victory by voting for a third party. Instead they can't look at a Romney win as an advanced move towards the center which is by far lesser of the two evils as a far left government.

    This mentality is the exact same that handed Reid his victory during the 2010 election and placed the unelectable Christine O'Donne to lose in Deleware.
    Sparky, on a philosophical level I see no real difference between Barrack Hussein Obama and Willard Mitt Romney. There are two types of people in my philosophical world.... Conservatives and Everyone Else. I will not vote for ANYONE who falls into that Everyone Else category. That's why I so rarely vote for more than one or two candidates on any ballot; because nobody in any of the other races fits my criteria to vote for them.

    There is no such thing as a Lesser Evil. There is only Good and Evil. If you don't meet the criteria for Good you're Evil by definition. Besides, I'd rather have someone I KNOW is my enemy 100% of the time in office than someone whose motives and actions I can't predict the quality of.

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Romney has staying power, if little else. Even although he is never going to be "one of us" as far as the Republican hierarchy are concerned, one by one, his opponents surge and fall back. This time his narrow win only ensures that the division and infighting will continue, as Santorum and the others still see a slim chance of toppling him from top spot. It was a good night for the President.
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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    About what I expected to happen. Of course a Romney nomination ensures 4 more years of Obimbo as much as a Santorum nomination does, so it's really a race for First Loser come November.
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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    true, he's always been extreme. but the more he expands on his views, the less more people are going to look sideways at him. everybody KNOWs he's a practicing catholic with strict views, he needs to focus on the other issues, and do it well. there's a theory that newt will throw his support santorum, what do you think about that?
    I could see it after Super Tuesday. It's more likely Newt will support Santorum than Romney. I wouldn't count out him supporting Paul over Santorum though strangely enough. Not highly likely, but I think not out of the question.

    And I agree. Santorum has to stay on an economic message first and foremost, but he's so fervently and honestly believes his social views and how important they are that he himself veers off track often and more than that he's prone to take any and every bit of bait that leads him off track. Social Issues for him is kind of the equivilent of being snarky and angry for Newt. When Newt gets attacked and upset he can't control himself not to lash our and go snarky rather than trying to stay on an issue driven positive message. Similarly, when people begin to bait Santorum with any social issue he can't help himself from running off the cliff with it.

    What I found funny recently was his whining about Ron Paul targetting him instead of the others. That's likely because there's been no one of the remaining other 3 whose gone at Ron Paul more and harsher, and thus it makes sense that's who he'd go after. He's also the guy at the top currently who Paul has the best chance of possibly courting some voters from.

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    What's an "Obimbo"?
    A derogatory name for the waste of flesh and oxygen currently inhabiting the Oval Office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC.

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Sparky, on a philosophical level I see no real difference between Barrack Hussein Obama and Willard Mitt Romney. There are two types of people in my philosophical world.... Conservatives and Everyone Else. I will not vote for ANYONE who falls into that Everyone Else category. That's why I so rarely vote for more than one or two candidates on any ballot; because nobody in any of the other races fits my criteria to vote for them.

    There is no such thing as a Lesser Evil. There is only Good and Evil. If you don't meet the criteria for Good you're Evil by definition. Besides, I'd rather have someone I KNOW is my enemy 100% of the time in office than someone whose motives and actions I can't predict the quality of.
    As a moderate independent, I wouldn't quite call Obama an evil enemy no matter how much I disagree with him, nevertheless, I can not deny that his agenda and his policies is a serious threat to the life I use to have and a way of life that I will nolonger have if he's given 4 more years and most likely a bigger threat to your views and beliefs as well and yes I do admit that I support a middleground government rather than either a far right or far left controlled government.

    However, I still can't comprehend why any conservative would not at least look at the possible damage control that a Romney victory could bring no matter how moderate he is. How is knowing who your enemy is 100 % of the time and enabling this enemy for four more years of power less dangerous to conservatives than trying to minimize the potential damage?

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    As a moderate independent, I wouldn't quite call Obama an evil enemy no matter how much I disagree with him, nevertheless, I can not deny that his agenda and his policies is a serious threat to the life I use to have and a way of life that I will nolonger have if he's given 4 more years and most likely a bigger threat to your views and beliefs as well and yes I do admit that I support a middleground government rather than either a far right or far left controlled government.
    I'm an Ultra-Conservative/Authoritarian Independent myself, so I would call Obama my enemy. The bigger of a threat Mr. Obama poses to my way of life, and the society this country was founded upon, the more likely it is that people will actually finally come out of their stupor and rise up against him and the government that he embraces.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    However, I still can't comprehend why any conservative would not at least look at the possible damage control that a Romney victory could bring no matter how moderate he is. How is knowing who your enemy is 100 % of the time and enabling this enemy for four more years of power less dangerous to conservatives than trying to minimize the potential damage?
    Which would you rather be.... Shot in the head with a shotgun or stabbed in the back repeatedly with a knife? Either way you end up dead. That's the way many of us see the Obama/Romney dichotomy. Those additional four years are hopefully time to show more people how disgusting this government and the system that allows it are, and to move towards the sea change that is going to be necessary for this nation to ever even come close to returing to its proper roots.

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    One thing I haven't seen noted yet is props to the (D)'s in Michigan as they seemed to have largely ignored the extremist arguement to come out and vote for Santorum. People tend to forget that the overwhelming vast majority of the country actually has little in common with the extremists that get all the press.

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    The numbers show that you could have cancelled the entire election for all but one county in Michigan yesterday and still got the same result. Oakland County - one of the top ten richest counties in America with a large population of corporate employees and business people, gave a margin of victory to Romney of 30,000 votes. Statewide, Romeny won over Santorum by................. drum roll please .......................... 30,000 votes. In other words, both man ran even steven in the other 82 Michigan counties. Oakland County was the difference.
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