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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This assumes they turn out, it assumes they provide the donation levels needed to combat Obama, this assumes that they provide the boots on the ground to spread the campaign message to others, etc.

    All poor assumptions I believe. I think Romney will function much like McCain pre-Palin. Lack of enthusiasm leading to lacking in likely turnout, lacking in fundraising, and lacking in word of mouth campaigning by his supporters.
    Exactly, Zyphlin.

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Interesting but stereotypical dana anaylsis here.

    Let me take a different spin however.

    This is Romney's home state, one in which his father was governor of, and one in which he won handedly 4 years ago. The very fact he won by only 3% of the vote should not be cause to celebrate singularly but also a cause for worry. There's as much there to suggest that it wasn't Santorum's "Extremism" itself that thwarted his ability to overtake Romney but rather a matter of tactics...going more heavily into the Social realm of things then the economic message he was pushing a bit earlier (one of my big issues with him that I figured would start showing up), a poor debate performance, and a call out to Democratics that put off some republican voters.

    Still, despite Romney's "electability" and Santorum's "Extremism", Romney managed to only win by 3% in a shoo-in state like Michigan. That's not a good sign for him even if the end result is beneficial.
    i think santorum LOST michigan by his weird behavior in the last 2 weeks. really, JFK? STUPID.

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Romney's victory in Michigan is due to 2 factors:

    1) Santorum's extremism

    2) Voters felt that Romney was the most electable.

    And now, Romney is back on top.

    Article is here.

    And now, for a little something extra. LOL.

    Attachment 67123160
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    1- a very poor debate performance from Arizona by Santorum
    2- the money of Romney and his four or five to one TV buys in the big turnout areas
    3- the establishment party organization backing him almost completely over Santorum
    4- a strong turnout in Oakland County
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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This assumes they turn out, it assumes they provide the donation levels needed to combat Obama, this assumes that they provide the boots on the ground to spread the campaign message to others, etc.

    All poor assumptions I believe. I think Romney will function much like McCain pre-Palin. Lack of enthusiasm leading to lacking in likely turnout, lacking in fundraising, and lacking in word of mouth campaigning by his supporters.
    That really wasn't my point. If a conservative shows up to the poll, they are going to vote against Obama. Plain and simple. The success of the campaign, well, I said it a year ago. Who do the republicans have to run against Obama? No one.
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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Interesting but stereotypical dana anaylsis here.

    Let me take a different spin however.

    This is Romney's home state, one in which his father was governor of, and one in which he won handedly 4 years ago. The very fact he won by only 3% of the vote should not be cause to celebrate singularly but also a cause for worry. There's as much there to suggest that it wasn't Santorum's "Extremism" itself that thwarted his ability to overtake Romney but rather a matter of tactics...going more heavily into the Social realm of things then the economic message he was pushing a bit earlier (one of my big issues with him that I figured would start showing up), a poor debate performance, and a call out to Democratics that put off some republican voters.

    Still, despite Romney's "electability" and Santorum's "Extremism", Romney managed to only win by 3% in a shoo-in state like Michigan. That's not a good sign for him even if the end result is beneficial.
    i agree with your analysis....only won by 3% in a state in which he has a family history....he should definitely be worried.

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i agree with your analysis....only won by 3% in a state in which he has a family history....he should definitely be worried.
    Well, you know Al Gore lost his home state and still managed to.....OK, he should worry.

    With Super Tuesday coming up, it's Romney's to lose now. Santorum doesn't seem to have the organization or the resources to put the full court press on in that many states at once.


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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I can't see myself voting for Obama under any circumstances either. I know that I will likely end up voting for a third party candidate, like I did 4 years ago. Either that or I will end up writing my own name in on the ballot. I will NOT vote for a LIBERAL, regardless of what party their are a member of. I truly believe that many WILL stay home, and a large percentage of those who don't, will vote for an independent candidate. Either way, they take votes away from Romney, thereby helping Obama.
    I just don't get this mentallity coming from some people in the right. So just because Romney is not far right enough or conservative enough by some people's standards, they will simply give Obama another 4 year victory by voting for a third party. Instead they can't look at a Romney win as an advanced move towards the center which is by far lesser of the two evils as a far left government.

    This mentality is the exact same that handed Reid his victory during the 2010 election and placed the unelectable Christine O'Donne to lose in Deleware.
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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think santorum LOST michigan by his weird behavior in the last 2 weeks. really, JFK? STUPID.
    Indeed. By the same token, he wasn't any less of an "extremist" in the 2 to 4 weeks prior to that when he went from way down to actually looking like a potential winner of Michigan.

    Which is why I think his "extremism" wasn't so much what cost him as it was his handling of his message and the things that his camp were putting out there / not managing well when they got out there.

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    That really wasn't my point. If a conservative shows up to the poll, they are going to vote against Obama. Plain and simple. The success of the campaign, well, I said it a year ago. Who do the republicans have to run against Obama? No one.
    Oh I agree. IF a GOP/Conservative voter goes to the ballot box the most likely candidate they're going to vote for is the person on the Republican ticket. The issue however is whether or not they make it out ot the ballot box. And there are far more things that influence a campaign and what votes you're going to be getting before you even get to voting day that also hurts Romney.

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    Re: Romney wins pivotal Michigan primary as well as Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Indeed. By the same token, he wasn't any less of an "extremist" in the 2 to 4 weeks prior to that when he went from way down to actually looking like a potential winner of Michigan.

    Which is why I think his "extremism" wasn't so much what cost him as it was his handling of his message and the things that his camp were putting out there / not managing well when they got out there.
    true, he's always been extreme. but the more he expands on his views, the less more people are going to look sideways at him. everybody KNOWs he's a practicing catholic with strict views, he needs to focus on the other issues, and do it well. there's a theory that newt will throw his support santorum, what do you think about that?

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