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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Snowe's primary purpose in the Senate was to provide "bi-partisan" media cover to left leaning bills and ideas.

    The problem is that the Dems have moved so far left that conservatives dont want to be seen as complicit in Republican compromises that usually arent for the good of conservative ideas. The conservative base of the GOP (the part that actually makes campaigns work) would rather candidates stand up for ideals than capitulate in the name of getting half of a crappy bill that they didnt want any of in the first place.
    You may see it that way but from my leftist perspective the left in our government have slid right due to the fact that the right have slid even further right than in any modern times.
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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is telling that the posters here saying good things about the Senator are normally identified as progressives and Democrats while those being snarky and outright mean to the Senator are conservatives, libertarians and those who are found voting Republican.
    Why should I be nice to her exactly? What do I agree with her on? Anything? What has she voted on that I would of approved of? What has she said that I don't find repulsive? What has she supported that I would support? How are her motivations something that I should find desirable? What is there for me not to hate?

    And I don't vote republican, thank you. Though I will be voting for Ron Paul regardless.

    And we are accused of being partisan!?!?!?!? Amazing.
    I have never accused a democrat of that, but I have accused them of far worse.

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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You may see it that way but from my leftist perspective the left in our government have slid right due to the fact that the right have slid even further right than in any modern times.
    I can refute that with two words--domestic spending.

    Kool aid tasting pretty sweet?

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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I can refute that with two words--domestic spending.

    Kool aid tasting pretty sweet?
    And here I had thought you were a respectful non-troll up 'till now.
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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You may see it that way but from my leftist perspective the left in our government have slid right due to the fact that the right have slid even further right than in any modern times.
    Yes. The Cons and the "tea baggers" may not have been particularly effective in government or even getting elected, but they have been surprisingly effective in moving the entire political spectrum to the right. Our "liberals" are to the right of most Canadian and Brittish conservatives. We have very few real liberals in US politics, at least at the federal level.

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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    And here I had thought you were a respectful non-troll up 'till now.
    Gimme a break, our domestic spending is so far left its not funny. We have implemented full on socialism in the last 40 50 years. You can argue that it isnt but its certainly further left than it used to be. To argue differently is just being blind.

    If you want to discuss our foreign policy you have a case, but domestic? No way.

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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yes. The Cons and the "tea baggers" may not have been particularly effective in government or even getting elected, but they have been surprisingly effective in moving the entire political spectrum to the right. Our "liberals" are to the right of most Canadian and Brittish conservatives. We have very few real liberals in US politics, at least at the federal level.
    Ok...did you miss the 2010 election cycle?
    I hate using wikipedia but this is pretty cut and dried stuff so: United States elections, 2010 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Gimme a break, our domestic spending is so far left its not funny. We have implemented full on socialism in the last 40 50 years. You can argue that it isnt but its certainly further left than it used to be. To argue differently is just being blind.

    If you want to discuss our foreign policy you have a case, but domestic? No way.
    Yet Nixon era created the EPA, clean water act, clean air act and so forth... his administration was to the left of this one in that respect.

    All you are doing is creating a false identity by saying spending=left. That's not how it actually works.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    I love how the liberals are all defending Snowe....I guess that tells anyone that didn't already know where she stood.

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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yet Nixon era created the EPA, clean water act, clean air act and so forth... his administration was to the left of this one in that respect.

    All you are doing is creating a false identity by saying spending=left. That's not how it actually works.
    Nor is that a true identity. Nixon would be opposing the EPA of today if he were in office. EPA today over reaches and enacts regulations without legislation. What it routinely does as a matter of practice to property owners should not be legal.

    Pollution was beginning to get really bad in the early 70s. Environmental concerns were beginning to take shape, now, environmental concerns are trumping everything else.

    The paradigm about spending has changed as well. GOP spends money, Dems REALLY spend money, conservatives would like it to stop if they are fiscal cons, as most of the Tea Party wave from 2010 was and is. Old party establishment GOPers like Murkowksy, Snowe, Collins, McCain and then you have Specter, Bennet, Martinez...oh wait we primaried their asses for the exact thought shift Im talking about.

    We cannot spend money the way this country has become used to---because we do not have it and its irressponsible to expect the next generation to pay for it.

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