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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What I am saying is it is telling that the posters here saying good things about the Senator are normally identified as progressives and Democrats while those being snarky and outright mean to the Senator are conservatives, libertarians and those who are found voting Republican.

    And we are accused of being partisan!?!?!?!? Amazing.
    Well, after all she didn't pass the 'purity' test, she didn't sign their de facto leader Grover Norquist's pledge.
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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Snowe's primary purpose in the Senate was to provide "bi-partisan" media cover to left leaning bills and ideas.

    The problem is that the Dems have moved so far left that conservatives dont want to be seen as complicit in Republican compromises that usually arent for the good of conservative ideas. The conservative base of the GOP (the part that actually makes campaigns work) would rather candidates stand up for ideals than capitulate in the name of getting half of a crappy bill that they didnt want any of in the first place.

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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Snowe's primary purpose in the Senate was to provide "bi-partisan" media cover to left leaning bills and ideas.

    The problem is that the Dems have moved so far left that conservatives dont want to be seen as complicit in Republican compromises that usually arent for the good of conservative ideas. The conservative base of the GOP (the part that actually makes campaigns work) would rather candidates stand up for ideals than capitulate in the name of getting half of a crappy bill that they didnt want any of in the first place.
    That is a two way street. The GOP has moved so far to the right that people that don't pass the purity test aren't considered part of the party. Snowe is a dying kind in both parties. A moderate.
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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Snowe's primary purpose in the Senate was to provide "bi-partisan" media cover to left leaning bills and ideas.

    The problem is that the Dems have moved so far left that conservatives dont want to be seen as complicit in Republican compromises that usually arent for the good of conservative ideas. The conservative base of the GOP (the part that actually makes campaigns work) would rather candidates stand up for ideals than capitulate in the name of getting half of a crappy bill that they didnt want any of in the first place.
    let's examine how this actually worked out for the republican party

    the very blue state of maine repeatedly elected a republican to one of its two senate seats

    that senator decides to abandon that elected office rather than "stand up for ideals" of the republican party, meaning place the objectives of the GOP ahead of the interests of the USA

    and as a result, the republicans have lost a seat which helped them maintain a majority

    nice going, GOP [/s]
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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's examine how this actually worked out for the republican party

    the very blue state of maine repeatedly elected a republican to one of its two senate seats

    that senator decides to abandon that elected office rather than "stand up for ideals" of the republican party, meaning place the objectives of the GOP ahead of the interests of the USA

    and as a result, the republicans have lost a seat which helped them maintain a majority

    nice going, GOP [/s]
    Ummm...

    A couple of points:

    The objectives of the GOP are not necessarily in contention with the interests of the USA. Unless you are mostly liberal like Snowe was.

    We are talking about the Senate here. The GOP do not have a majority...the Democrats do.

    Now, this development will make it more difficult for the GOP to achieve their GOAL of getting the majority, but other than that, I don't see things changing much with her departure.
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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Ummm...

    Now, this development will make it more difficult for the GOP to achieve their GOAL of getting the majority, but other than that, I don't see things changing much with her departure.
    Not really. If a real republican wins in Maine, the GOP will be better off since Snowe was a RINO.

    Plus, it's been obvious, having a simple majority means little, you need 60 or influence on one or two from the other side.

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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yeah, that seat will likely go to a Dem...
    It was already held by a Dem.
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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    Not really. If a real republican wins in Maine, the GOP will be better off since Snowe was a RINO.

    Plus, it's been obvious, having a simple majority means little, you need 60 or influence on one or two from the other side.
    Well, according to the article it'll be difficult for a real Republican to win the seat...that it's more likely to go to a Democrat. But we can always hope, eh?

    Also, there are benefits to having a majority even if you don't have 60 seats...like control of committees and such.
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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectStorm View Post
    So are you saying conservatives should blindly support a politician just because he or she has an "R" behind the name?
    I think he's finding it incredulous that people expect politicians to blindly follow party line.
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    Re: Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe to Retire

    I have no problem with her retiring. She was nothing more than a Social Conservative Democrat. Sure it will hurt the GOP's chances for the Senate. But right now the GOP has a bigger problem. Which some are trying to straighten out. That would be an identity crisis. IMO that is!

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