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Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

Mr. Invisible said:
Yes, but do those people you know represent all poor people? If you are going to say yes, please provide proof.
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Of course they don't represent all poor people. I never deal in absolutes, but those people are definitely represented among the ranks of the poor.

I grew up and still operate in the real world. I see un-motivated, ambitionless cats everyday, so I'm not naive enough to think that they do not exist.

Want me to tell you the story about how two of my roustabouts snuck out in the middle of the night and carried their little candy asses back to Louisiana? Didn't even have the gumption to say, "Kiss my ass! I quit!".

Spare me the crap about how it's society's fault that they're poor.
 
samsmart said:
No, but a peaceful overthrow would be nice, and I think there's plenty of people who would support one considering how inept our current system is.
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And replace it with, what?
 
DiAnna said:
If they plan to take down the government, they'll have to finish their homework first. :D

Actually, I'd be quite pleased if they tracked down as many of these little ****ers as possible, and threw their baby-soft asses in jail. If our government can't hack better than a bunch of weenie adolescent nerds, then we're in big trouble.
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Government workers outperforming the private sector? Wake up, you're dreaming.
 
Does this mean we can get our public beatings of these brats? I would buy a whole new subscription package just to see that.
 
Temporal said:
However... what do people think is going to happen when our economic depression worsens? It's going to. Western governments are scrambling to keep this economic model alive. Unlike the depression of the 30's, this depression is about the system itself.
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I think the converted socialists from the 1920s and 1930s saw that quite differently.
 
AdamT said:
And so it begins....
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Aweseome! Let the basement clearing begin. :)

I wonder how this will effect the war. Is it on or will we hear from them any time soon?
 
I said yes. They are a weak group of people that could be menacing.

When they threaten to take down social network sites(<- whatever) it should tip a person off that these guys are youngsters. They slowly moved towards economical targets.

It is all fun and games until they hack into something important, for example like the electrical grid. If they figure out how to botch up that for a few days it could cause adverse effects. This could be the elderly loosing vital life support machines or even disabling it long enough to cause pipes to burst after freezing in colder regions. When they could potentially go as far as jeopardizing peoples life and ruining personal property, yes they did it to themselves to have a terrorist label, even if it isn't official.

Are they as dangerous as worldwide terrorist groups such as Al Quada, no I wouldn't go that far. They do however use the same types of threats as Al Quada, like financial targets. When they do get caught I hope they aren't on U.S. soil and the U.S. catches them, then we can toss them in with the rest of their friends at Guantanamo Bay.
 
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Thunder said:
is this a prediction..or a wish?
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A little of both; at least for some of us.

Thunder said:
I see such predictions/wishes as the thought process of those who don't have the patience or maturity to let the democratic process work, or get involved.
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The Democratic Process stopped being worth anything with the '60 election. The 1860 election, that is. How much longer should people wait? It's been almost 150 years since the last attempt to straighten this country out without any worthwhile gains.
 
Tigger said:
...The Democratic Process stopped being worth anything with the '60 election. The 1860 election, that is. How much longer should people wait?....
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until they have exhausted all peaceful & legal means to change legislation.
 
Latest word is that INTERPOL just arrested a bunch of the 'Anonymous' hackers in "Operation Un-Mask"...details to follow.
 
VanceMack said:
Latest word is that INTERPOL just arrested a bunch of the 'Anonymous' hackers in "Operation Un-Mask"...details to follow.
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Good. **** them, OWS, and all other bull**** "revolutionaries" who are simply a bunch of whining malcontents who want to do nothing but demand everything.
 
Thunder said:
Good. **** them, OWS, and all other bull**** "revolutionaries" who are simply a bunch of whining malcontents who want to do nothing but demand everything.
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I wonder if the British said the same things about the Founding Fathers. Not that I put Anonymous on the same level as the Founding Fathers. Still it seems like perhaps a common deflect when people see things they don’t really like too much. Regardless of whether we like it or not, rights must be upheld. If Anonymous actually tried something beyond their usual lame DoS attacks, then they can try to track down the specific individuals at fault. But I think it’s far more likely that they won’t do that and instead we’re going to see some whole sale police force used with little to no regard for an individual’s rights. I hope I’m wrong on that front, but I don’t put much faith in the government in terms of self-temperance.
 
Ikari said:
I wonder if the British said the same things about the Founding Fathers. Not that I put Anonymous on the same level as the Founding Fathers....
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I should hope not, as our Founding Fathers were great men, way ahead of their time, of immense vision. Anonymous are just a bunch of loser malcontents, who could never make it in life, so instead they seek to make the lives of everyone else miserable....cause their misery desperately desires company. Just like the rest of the pseudo-revolutionaries on the net.

yes folks, you may quote these words as your own.
 
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Thunder said:
until they have exhausted all peaceful & legal means to change legislation.
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The people don't have any means, peaceful & legal or otherwise, to change legislation.

The only ones who can change legislation are legislators. And they won't change it because they get too much money the way things are now.
 
samsmart said:
The people don't have any means, peaceful & legal or otherwise, to change legislation.

The only ones who can change legislation are legislators.....
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#1. many states have referendums.

#2. we vote for every member of Congress & the President.

it is truly lazy to suggest we have no power to control our politicians.
 
Thunder said:
#1. many states have referendums.

#2. we vote for every member of Congress & the President.

it is truly lazy to suggest we have no power to control our politicians.
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#1 We don't have referendums on the federal level.

#2 It is too difficult to hold our politicians accountable when they do not do what we elect them to do.
 
tessaesque said:
Get back to me when the little cowards quit hiding behind masks and proxies.
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Prior to July 1776 did the Founding Fathers advertise their presence and whereabouts to the British? (Did they even do it afterwords for that matter except for the more obvious army units?) Seems I remember a lot of Ben Franklin's stuff (among others) being written anonymously or with pen names. Stealth and secrecy are commonly used tools in almost every kind of warfare. In revolutions they're essential because the revolutionaries are unmanned and outgunned by the established government.
 
Thunder said:
and what if they simply do what other want them to do, but not you?
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Here's what you don't get. We live in a two party, first past the post system. If we vote in a Democrat and he is an untrustworthy piece of crap, we then go Republican. But then that Republican ends up being just as much of an untrustworthy piece of crap as the Democrat was. This situation has been going on for quite some time. We need to have a peaceful nonviolent revolution to radically change the electoral system and many other elements of our government. Such as getting rid of union and corporate influence in the election process, creating a system where legislators are more accountable to the people they elected, and where the federal government does not have the power to kill US citizens (see this and this as well), spy on them illegally (see this), or detain them without trial (see this and this, just to name a few.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Prior to July 1776 did the Founding Fathers advertise their presence and whereabouts to the British? (Did they even do it afterwords for that matter except for the more obvious army units?) Seems I remember a lot of Ben Franklin's stuff (among others) being written anonymously or with pen names. Stealth and secrecy are commonly used tools in almost every kind of warfare. In revolutions they're essential because the revolutionaries are unmanned and outgunned by the established government.
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They did, however, sign their names to the Declaration of Independence, which would have meant death for them if the Brits had found them, or if we had lost the Revolution and the Brits caught up to them later. They may have used secrecy, but they still put themselves behind the cause of America publicly.

Unlike these anonymous idiots, who can claim ignorance if they are ever found.
 
While I do not agree 100% with what the hacker group is doing I do agree that many of the underhanded things the government does, for example try to control the internet as if though it is a physical place that can be controlled is very bad. SOPA was very bad. This government becoming more and more plutocratic is even worse.

I think in their case, doing this to certain sites is one thing; it proves a point about these sites security and in the long run the end consumer is going to get a better deal thanks to these guys. In this case though these people, many of them likely college age or even far younger run a lot of very bad risks. I would suggest to these fellas to wait until they can vote or form a coalition that votes out the men and women that are destroying the US rather than try to take matters totally in their own hands. Their hearts are in the right place but their actions are not.
 
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