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    Re: Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

    Quote Originally Posted by MOrion View Post
    No, you are not wrong about the SEALS; their identities are kept secret.

    But there is a big difference between the SEALS, Marines, other SF's, and these script kiddies: our men (and women) in uniform are supporting the current government, whereas anonymous is trying to take it down. Our military men are not striving to be revolutionaries, and therefore, they are not judged by those standards. They are not trying to change the future of the entire country (world), and therefore they do not need to make themselves known, and the job that they do is more than enough to earn respect from me.

    Contrast this with anonymous, who hide behind computer screens and whose main weapon is the DDoS attack, which has all the sophistication of IM YELLING SO LOUD THAT YOU CAN'T HEAR YOURSELF ANYMORE LALALALALALALALALAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!11

    These kids are pushing us towards revolution, and as far as I can tell, they have no plan as for how it should all end up. If they did, I'd speak differently of them, but they don't, so . . .

    Now, at this point in the game of course, our Founding Fathers hadn't articulated their plan to the public either - which is why I reserve the right to change my mind about anonymous. They might end up surprising me. Our Founding Fathers' actions in 1776 showed that they were never cowards, because they did eventually put forth their names . . . before the fight was won. And I would change my opinion of the anonymous group if they were to do the same.
    I have the utmost respect for the military and I think I've made that plain enough in all my posts. What you seem to be missing is that war is war regardless of which side you're on. You don't give the enemy anything, not information, not supplies, not people, not land, nothing. That's what war is. Those who think otherwise lose.

    Continuously calling the Anonymous people "kids", along with the various adjectives you've put with that term, doesn't do anything to convince me you have a handle on the facts. Washington had a lot of young, green men in his army, too, it didn't make them any less soldiers. I'm not saying I'm cheering Anonymous on in whatever they're doing now because I think their goals have changed recently. But I'm also not going to believe they're just a bunch of punks out to have a good time at our expense. That kind of thinking is what got the British booted out.
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    Re: Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I have the utmost respect for the military and I think I've made that plain enough in all my posts. What you seem to be missing is that war is war regardless of which side you're on. You don't give the enemy anything, not information, not supplies, not people, not land, nothing. That's what war is. Those who think otherwise lose.
    And you also don't declare war . . . you just attack. As was mentioned in an earlier post, if anonymous wanted people to take them seriously as a threat, forget this faux drama of "declaring war" and just hit us with your version of 9-11. We'd get the message, and also have a demonstration of their capabilities. As it is though, they just made some anti-government noise and retreated back into hiding.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Continuously calling the Anonymous people "kids", along with the various adjectives you've put with that term, doesn't do anything to convince me you have a handle on the facts. Washington had a lot of young, green men in his army, too, it didn't make them any less soldiers. I'm not saying I'm cheering Anonymous on in whatever they're doing now because I think their goals have changed recently. But I'm also not going to believe they're just a bunch of punks out to have a good time at our expense. That kind of thinking is what got the British booted out.
    Well, if they want me to think of them as more than just "kids," they need to do something impressive. They've hacked a few websites, HBGary - and that's something - they also recorded a phone call from the FBI to Scotland Yard . . . but other than that, I don't really see anything that would make me think they can back up all this bluster they've thrown about with their declaration of war.

    Like I said, I reserve the right to change my mind about them, but so far, they rank equally to protesters in my book, and nowhere near the level of our military men and women, or the Founding Fathers.

    Still better than most couch-bound Americans, though . . . You've got to give them that.
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    Re: Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

    Quote Originally Posted by MOrion View Post
    And you also don't declare war . . . you just attack. As was mentioned in an earlier post, if anonymous wanted people to take them seriously as a threat, forget this faux drama of "declaring war" and just hit us with your version of 9-11. We'd get the message, and also have a demonstration of their capabilities. As it is though, they just made some anti-government noise and retreated back into hiding.


    Well, if they want me to think of them as more than just "kids," they need to do something impressive. They've hacked a few websites, HBGary - and that's something - they also recorded a phone call from the FBI to Scotland Yard . . . but other than that, I don't really see anything that would make me think they can back up all this bluster they've thrown about with their declaration of war.

    Like I said, I reserve the right to change my mind about them, but so far, they rank equally to protesters in my book, and nowhere near the level of our military men and women, or the Founding Fathers.

    Still better than most couch-bound Americans, though . . . You've got to give them that.
    Never heard of psych warfare, huh? It's pretty common not only in warfare but almost any competition - even athletes use it.
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    Re: Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Never heard of psych warfare, huh? It's pretty common not only in warfare but almost any competition - even athletes use it.
    Oh yeah, big bad anonynous has me tremblin' in my boots. They declared war on our government . . . I guess I'd better just pack it in now . . .
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    Re: Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good stuff. Label them all traitors and terrorists and send their little asses to jail. After about a week of getting ****ed by Jermain's big black dick, they'll change their minds.
    I see, so you think the predominance of stereotypical big black homosexuals in prisons, exists?
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    Re: Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

    In case anyone missed it

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/07/te...-arrested.html
    An outspoken member of a loosely knit group of hackers that calls itself Lulz Security pleaded guilty to breaking into the computer systems of several prominent American companies, according to federal court papers unsealed Tuesday in New York.

    Hector Xavier Monsegur, who operated under the Twitter handle The Real Sabu, was charged with 12 criminal counts of hacking into unauthorized computers, the Justice Department said, adding that he had been cooperating with law enforcement officials for several months.

    Authorities in Britain, Ireland and Chicago arrested five suspected hackers affiliated with Lulz Security, or LulzSec, which is an offshoot of the banner group called Anonymous.

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    Re: Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

    When the OWS movement first started, my hypotheses was that the US government would combat it in ways that were unfavorable in most Americans' eyes, as the issues themselves are unpalatable (wealth inequality) in the governments eyes. That hasn't really happened yet, but I still believe that the tides of violence are about to start crashing down on the movement in one way or another, especially now that a faction within the movement has declared War upon the government. We will have to wait and see though. Nevertheless, it does feel as though something is going happen, something bad, me thinks.

    I also contended that this movement would challenge the very fabric of everything American: big government, capitalism, democracy.

    Does anyone else think that an uprising and/or revolution is at hand?

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    Re: Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    [...] especially now that a faction within the movement has declared War upon the government. [...]
    You think Anonymous is a faction of the OWS movement? You do realize Anonymous has been around for quite a few years?
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    Re: Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

    Anyone "worried" about Anon need not worry for the most part now. The de facto leader of the main part of Anon, call Lulzsecs has been working with the FBI for some time now in a deal so that he wasn't taken to prison (away from his children). In the deal he has handed the feds nearly every major member as well as ways to destroy them. Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.
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    Re: Anonymous Declares War on the US Government

    'A member of' the OWS movement...

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