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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Read more: Opposing sides meet as Capitol protests enter sixth day

    Seems they were willing to concede to Walker, just not disband the union.
    No, that was a rouse, put out there before any members were polled on approval of it...It was NEVER a serious offer. You know that.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

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    You think the next and future generations should be saddled with OUR debt? Sure...I'll accept a tax increase...have always said so...along with MASSIVE cuts to the government and that 49% of the crippled dependent pets in this country finally step up and pay at least THEIR fair share and stop continually leeching off society. You bet. See...now we are making progress!
    We may be in 0% agreement over the Star Trek reboot (something meaning when compared to what's really going on in the world).... but this I totally feel the same as you do.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, that was a rouse, put out there before any members were polled on approval of it...It was NEVER a serious offer. You know that.

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    Total BS. The unions had already agreed to Walker's main demands.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Total BS. The unions had already agreed to Walker's main demands.
    Not really. It was not a real proposal.

    When it really came down to it and the teacher's union could have agreed to the concessions and saved jobs, they refused.

    WUWM: News - MTEA Not Interested in Renegotiating Pension Benefits

    The Milwaukee Teachers’ Education Association says it will not discuss additional contract concessions.

    Milwaukee Public Schools Superintendent Gregory Thornton asked the union to consider paying five-point-8 percent of pension contributions. He said the change might spare hundreds of employees who received layoff notices last month. The district is facing huge cuts in state funding.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Not really. It was not a real proposal.

    When it really came down to it and the teacher's union could have agreed to the concessions and saved jobs, they refused.

    WUWM: News - MTEA Not Interested in Renegotiating Pension Benefits
    What the unions said was that they would agree to his wage and pension demands IF he dropped the effort to abolish their bargaining rights. Obviously he did not accept their offer.

    Wisconsin Public Workers Agree to GOP's Demands on Wages and Benefits; Republicans Reject Offer Outright | AlterNet
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Total BS. The unions had already agreed to Walker's main demands.

    Wrong....I understand that you must follow the meme of the progressive line concerning this, but you couldn't be further from the truth here my friend....But I'll save it for a thread concerning this matter...


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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What the unions said was that they would agree to his wage and pension demands IF he dropped the effort to abolish their bargaining rights. Obviously he did not accept their offer.
    The unions had no intention of agreeing to pension/health care concessions. The leaders, with barely any member support, claimed they would. It was not a real offer and the chances it would have been approved were slim. They were trying to buy time for recall elections to get started. That's all.

    This was before Act10 passed:
    Walker Renews Calls For Union Concessions - Politics News Story - WISC Madison
    "State workers and other public workers aren't about to sacrifice their benefits for some political future of a tyrant," said Marty Beil, executive director of AFSCME, the largest state employee union. "This is all about Scott Walker kind of bringing back, instead of public service, it is public servitude. He's the master of the plantation and we're supposed to be his slaves; that's his philosophy here. So I think he'd be real happy if we were paid minimum wage and had no pension at all."
    And, another district's rejection of pension contributions in order to save jobs:

    Teachers reject Janesville School Board's offer -- GazetteXtra

    The Janesville teachers union has said no to the school board's latest effort to exact economic concessions.

    The Janesville Education Association's Representative Assembly on Monday voted not to reopen its contract.

    The board on Friday sent a letter with a new proposal: No cuts of teaching positions next year except for enrollment declines if the teachers pay 2.9 percent of their salaries toward their pensions this year and 5.8 percent starting next year.
    They were all for pension contributions, until the chance came for them to actually except them... You are free to believe it, but you are being naive.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    They were all for pension contributions, until the chance came for them to actually except them... You are free to believe it, but you are being naive.
    Again, they were for all of the concessions conditioned on Walker agreeing to drop the collective bargaining ban. He did not accept their offer and therefore the offer was withdrawn. It's not a brain teaser.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Those done by organizations to the political right and most newspapers (Seattle Times had an interesting study) show that they are typically overpaid.
    You mean this one?

    Local News | How state workers' pay really stacks up | Seattle Times Newspaper

    "In general, private-sector pay is higher than in the public sector, and the higher up the occupational hierarchy the job is, the greater the pay advantage for the private sector," Kearney said.

    At lower-level jobs, he said, unionization among government workers operates to raise pay levels, but that advantage dissipates the higher up the job hierarchy one goes, he said.
    The median wage for the 2,000 janitors working for the state last year was $13.44 an hour, or $27,955 a year. Their 37,100 nonstate counterparts earned about 6 percent less.

    The opposite was true for the state's 1,200 computer-systems analysts. Their median wage last year was $31.47, or $65,463 a year — nothing to sneeze at, but 22 percent below the median for nonstate systems analysts.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Again, they were for all of the concessions conditioned on Walker agreeing to drop the collective bargaining ban. He did not accept their offer and therefore the offer was withdrawn. It's not a brain teaser.
    It really isn't a brain teaser, but it served it's purpose. fooling people into thinking the unions were the reasonable ones. It failed at the other purpose, to buy time for recall elections

    No Concessions Protest Jazzes Up Madison | Labor Notes

    Wisconsin showed its lively protest colors March 3 with 7,000 protesters joining a jazz funeral march to the Madison statehouse.

    The action challenged not only Governor Scott Walker’s anti-union measures and service cuts but also the concessions offered by public sector union leaders.
    The offer seemed a hurried “public relations” response to the governor, made without consulting members.

    A no-concessions meeting organized by the National Nurses Union February 27 had drawn 70 attendees and a panel of speakers that included two prominent Madison-area labor leaders, Jim Cavanaugh, president of the South Central Federation of Labor, and J. Eric Cobb, Building Trades Council executive director.
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