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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Was that more or less shameful than WI senators refusing to do thier jobs and vote? In what way was Walker's actions not legally legislative? You say you're not a Union fanboy at all costs, but you sure as hell act like one when you refuse to acknowledge basic well-documented facts surrounding the events..
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    Hmm, so you're saying that two wrongs DO make a right? You admit that Walker's action was shameful, but claim the Dems' attempt to stop it was more shameful? Or what?

    The problem with Walker's action is that he clearly had union busting as one of his primary goals, but he made absolutely no mention of it during the campaign. The reason is pretty obvious; Wisconsin is generally a pro-union state and attacking the unions during the campaign would have hurt his chances of winning. In essence he was thinking, "I know the people of Wicsonsin won't like this, but once I get elected they won't be able to do anything about it."

    And thus he is getting what he had coming to him.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Walker didnt bust the unions. They still exist. But there is no compelling reason to have public sector unions other than to funnel dues to politicians.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Walker didnt bust the unions. They still exist. But there is no compelling reason to have public sector unions other than to funnel dues to politicians.
    He effectively busted them by taking away their bargaining rights. Collective bargaining is the main purpose of unions.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The recall election is now inevitable, and it will happen as soon as May 29. This election could go either way, and I am predicting that Walker will survive - barely. However, he will be powerless to foist any more of his extremist agenda onto the people of Wisconsin, as at least one of 4 Senate seats up for grabs will be lost, thus flipping the Senate. And Walker will have more problems ahead, as his advisers and cronies go on trial for theft, election fraud, and even exposing genitals in front of a child.

    No matter how Walker's recall election turns out, his extremist dynasty is toast on a stick.

    Article is here.
    I certainly agree that Walker is finished and a strong message is now being sent to the extremist right-wing faction in this country of which Scott Walker is a firm member. It didn't take as long as I thought it would for the country's reasonable people to go on the offensive, and I predict that Walker will lose and that we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in this recall.

    It will be nice to see the day when reasonable conservatives can come out and offer better ideas that people can listen to.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Hmm, so you're saying that two wrongs DO make a right? You admit that Walker's action was shameful, but claim the Dems' attempt to stop it was more shameful? Or what?

    The problem with Walker's action is that he clearly had union busting as one of his primary goals, but he made absolutely no mention of it during the campaign. The reason is pretty obvious; Wisconsin is generally a pro-union state and attacking the unions during the campaign would have hurt his chances of winning. In essence he was thinking, "I know the people of Wicsonsin won't like this, but once I get elected they won't be able to do anything about it."

    And thus he is getting what he had coming to him.
    Not at all.. I am not saying Walker's legislative actions were shameful, they were appropriate, legal, and democratic. I was cntrasting his actions which were proper with the actions of the slimey union bought and paid for politicians on the democrat side. By the way, perhaps you have a poor memory. Walker made it pretty clear that Unions were a big part of the problem for why the state was in so much trouble, PRIOR to being elected.


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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I certainly agree that Walker is finished and a strong message is now being sent to the extremist right-wing faction in this country of which Scott Walker is a firm member. It didn't take as long as I thought it would for the country's reasonable people to go on the offensive, and I predict that Walker will lose and that we are seeing the tip of the iceberg in this recall.

    It will be nice to see the day when reasonable conservatives can come out and offer better ideas that people can listen to.
    Do you have any ideas? Why in the world anyone, rational democrat included, would be for the corruptable system of unions and politicians that we have now is beyond me? That goes for any conservative that is for the same cozy relationship between big business and politicians. It's the corruption that Occupiers and Tea Partiers are actually in agreement about, and politicians, and big business would rue the day when Occupiers and TP'ers could put away their political differences to fight the good fight on this one single issue.


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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Not at all.. I am not saying Walker's legislative actions were shameful, they were appropriate, legal, and democratic. I was cntrasting his actions which were proper with the actions of the slimey union bought and paid for politicians on the democrat side. By the way, perhaps you have a poor memory. Walker made it pretty clear that Unions were a big part of the problem for why the state was in so much trouble, PRIOR to being elected.


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    He talked about trying to get concessions from the unions, but he NEVER suggested that he wanted to take away their bargaining rights.

    PolitiFact Wisconsin | Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says he campaigned on his budget repair plan, including curtailing collective bargaining

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    He talked about trying to get concessions from the unions, but he NEVER suggested that he wanted to take away their bargaining rights.

    PolitiFact Wisconsin | Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says he campaigned on his budget repair plan, including curtailing collective bargaining
    I'll match your linky with my linky: ksfr: : Weekly Standard: Why So Surprised About Walker? (2011-02-23)

    Now, although the catch phrase "collecive bargaining" was not mentioned (For political reasons perhaps since most of the voting public don't even know what the hell it even is and I'm sure that's by-design) anyone paying attention to the Govenors races is a fool if they didn't thnk for a minute that whatr Walker was essentially saying in "laymans" terms was that the BIG union scam was over in his state.. Now, unions can "act" all surprised and you can choose to believe their ignorance if you like, but if there's one thing I have come to know about unions is that the one thing they really, really KNOW; it is how they get paid.. Only a fool would suggest otherwise, and frankly wouldn't be worth any more of my time in a debate.

    Suggesting Walker somehow "tricked" everyone would be tantamount to suggesting that Obama tricked everyone into believing he would not govern as a liberal ideologue. Sure, the people that vote not by their own careful consdieration but by drive by opinions they gather from friends, family and the LSM would certainly not have known just how radical Obama would be, but conservatives that pay attention and care about just who gets to be President weren't fooled, and neither were the unions.. They KNEW what was going to happen, and they're pissed because they couldn't stop it before it happened, and this recall will cost a lot of union dues and still fail..

    Just my opinion but that is exactly how I saw it leading up the 2010 elections.


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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I'll match your linky with my linky: ksfr: : Weekly Standard: Why So Surprised About Walker? (2011-02-23)

    Now, although the catch phrase "collecive bargaining" was not mentioned (For political reasons perhaps since most of the voting public don't even know what the hell it even is and I'm sure that's by-design) anyone paying attention to the Govenors races is a fool if they didn't thnk for a minute that whatr Walker was essentially saying in "laymans" terms was that the BIG union scam was over in his state.. Now, unions can "act" all surprised and you can choose to believe their ignorance if you like, but if there's one thing I have come to know about unions is that the one thing they really, really KNOW; it is how they get paid.. Only a fool would suggest otherwise, and frankly wouldn't be worth any more of my time in a debate.

    Suggesting Walker somehow "tricked" everyone would be tantamount to suggesting that Obama tricked everyone into believing he would not govern as a liberal ideologue. Sure, the people that vote not by their own careful consdieration but by drive by opinions they gather from friends, family and the LSM would certainly not have known just how radical Obama would be, but conservatives that pay attention and care about just who gets to be President weren't fooled, and neither were the unions.. They KNEW what was going to happen, and they're pissed because they couldn't stop it before it happened, and this recall will cost a lot of union dues and still fail..

    Just my opinion but that is exactly how I saw it leading up the 2010 elections.


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    Sorry, not buying it. One, you've got to be kidding. Everyone knows what collective bargaining is. How stupid do you think people are?

    And two, a singular hint during the entire campaign -- by an aid and not the candidate himself -- hardly qualifies as full disclosure.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sorry, not buying it. One, you've got to be kidding. Everyone knows what collective bargaining is. How stupid do you think people are?

    And two, a singular hint during the entire campaign -- by an aid and not the candidate himself -- hardly qualifies as full disclosure.
    Unions were running ads attacking Walker and claiming that their union rights were in trouble if he won. So, they knew what was going on. However, the whole "he didn't specifically campaign on an issue" is silly. Very few, if any, politicans campaign on everything they will do. Republican and democrat. Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. Complaining about it is little more then senseless whining.

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