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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yes, that was after the law had been passed but prior to being published. I already addressed that.

    Trying to use union's agreement after the law was passed and they had no alternatives and claiming that it proves what they would have done before the law was passed and they still thought they would delay, beat or modify the law doesn't quite work.

    Prior to the bill being passed 2 big union leaders verbally claimed they would make the concessions. Many of the actual union members and a couple of other big union leaders said they would not agree to any concessions.

    Do you have any examples of unions acepting pension/health care contributions prior to the law being passed? If they were so kind and willing to help out, surely those exist.
    Did you read the article? The law had been passed, but it was not in effect due to a federal injunction. It was also being challenged in state court. The contracts demonstrate -- conclusively -- that the unions were willing to make concessions in order to retain their rights. We know that because they did in fact make concessions to retain their rights.

    Otherwise, as stated several times, their offer to make concessions was conditioned on Walker giving up his effort to strip them of collective bargaining rights.
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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Did you read the article? The law had been passed, but it was not in effect due to a federal injunction. It was also being challenged in state court.
    I certainly don't have the greatest memory for these things, but I don't recall the federal court system issuing an injunction. Sumi issued an order to prevent publishing of the law, but she was not a federal judge. I also checked your link that you asked if I read, and didn't see any mention of a federal injunction. Can't say it didn't happen, but I don't recall it.

    The contracts demonstrate -- conclusively -- that the unions were willing to make concessions in order to retain their rights. We know that because they did in fact make concessions to retain their rights.
    The unions agreed to concessions only after it was a done deal. For the most part, prior to passage, unions refused, and many actively fought, the idea of concessions.

    The union members were correct, the proposed agreement was just a public relations decision. If you disagree, please provide some proof that there was large agreement in the unions to accept concessions prior to passage of Act10. I've already provided proof that large groups of union workers and some big leaders were against concessions prior to passage.

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    Hopefully he will stay in office. We need more politicans that will stand up agianst the big unions.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Hopefully he will stay in office. We need more politicans that will stand up agianst the big unions.

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    That's why he's an extremist. He got the concessions he needed, maybe he had to twist a few arms, but that wasn't good enough. He had to fulfill his right wing wet dream of breaking the union.


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    There union isnt broken. It still exist. As someone who works with civilian government employees. Public sector works should not have a union.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I certainly don't have the greatest memory for these things, but I don't recall the federal court system issuing an injunction. Sumi issued an order to prevent publishing of the law, but she was not a federal judge. I also checked your link that you asked if I read, and didn't see any mention of a federal injunction. Can't say it didn't happen, but I don't recall it.



    The unions agreed to concessions only after it was a done deal. For the most part, prior to passage, unions refused, and many actively fought, the idea of concessions.

    The union members were correct, the proposed agreement was just a public relations decision. If you disagree, please provide some proof that there was large agreement in the unions to accept concessions prior to passage of Act10. I've already provided proof that large groups of union workers and some big leaders were against concessions prior to passage.
    My bad, it was a state court judge who enjoined the law from being published. But that's beside the point. The law was not in effect when many of the state unions signed contracts binding them to the concessions that Walker was seeking. Therefore you obviously can't say that they had no other choice. The law wasn't in effect and there was a reasonable chance that it would be tossed out.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    There union isnt broken. It still exist. As someone who works with civilian government employees. Public sector works should not have a union.
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    Doesn't bother me. Im military (which I get out in a few months) so Im not union. If someone wants to work for thr government let them. Im just saying they shouldn't be unionize. Unionize work sectors always cost more which in,this cast increases the burden on the taxpayer like ur self.

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

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    How do you feel about being fed, clothed and paid by my taxes?
    How do you feel about him protecting you?

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    Re: Wisconsin governor won't challenge recall signatures

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The law wasn't in effect and there was a reasonable chance that it would be tossed out.
    You have quite the definition of reasonable.

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