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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Let me tell y'all a true story about a young fellow... I'll call him "Joe" to protect his identity.

    Bear in mind, this IS a true story.


    "Joe" had a rough time in Junior High. His social skills were mediocre and he was perhaps overly sensitive; he came from a family that was very mild-mannered and didn't tolerate verbal abuse or other uncivil behavior, and the first time some kid called him a m'f'er he almost had a stroke he was so infuriated. He was a country boy who dressed in rugged comfortable clothes and not the latest style, and he was too honest and too trusting for his own good. Well, he got bullied a lot. It was a rough school, there were 16-19yo thugs there who had failed three grades in a row for misbehavior and it was a time when violence was peaking (1970s).

    By the end of his first year at Jr High Joe felt like his life was coming apart. He'd been in more fights in six months that in the past six years and had been gang-beatdown, had weapons pulled on him and suffered what he considered daily insults and abuse that never ended. He saw no end in sight to this circumstance and struggled with the notion that he'd rather die than spend another year being tormented that way.

    Joe's parents didn't lock their guns up; few people did back then in the country. Joe wasn't supposed to handle any guns without permission, but he knew where his father's pistols were hidden. There were three people at school that Joe saw as the chief architects of his living hell, and one day he sat in his room and gave serious thought to taking his Dad's smallest revolver to school and shooting them.

    He fantasized about it, playing it out in his head, how sweet revenge would be on his tormentors and how they would never be able to torment him any more.

    But reality came knocking; Joe knew the police would arrest him. He knew, for his parents had told him, that murderers were often executed or kept in a hellish prison for life. Joe didn't want that for himself.

    It occurred to Joe that he could avoid that by killing himself after he killed his tormentors. That sounded somewhat appealing... after all, his life seemed to be an endless misery... and another two years at that school felt like eternity to a 13yo.

    But Joe's parents had brought him up to believe in God, a God who had this commandment called "Thou Shalt not Murder". Joe remembered the preacher saying that after death every man had to face his God and answer for what he'd done in life.

    Joe got the shakes about the idea of facing God after murdering three of his fellow students, and decided that the fantasy of shooting them was going to have to remain a fantasy. He struggled and found other ways to cope with the bullying and insults, and he killed no one.

    Because he'd been taught about God and the Ten Commandments.

    True story... possible school shooting averted because a couple of parents taught Joe their religion.


    Well, how about that....

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    ...True story... possible school shooting averted because a couple of parents taught Joe their religion...
    however, one could teach their child about the Crusades, the Inquisition, Colonialism, Manifest Destiny, and that child will learn that violence has its place....even as an expression of faith.

    its silly to suggest that teaching about the Bible, will automatically make one a peaceful, kind, and gentle soul.

    cases in point: Anders Breivik & Eric Rudolph.

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    however, one could teach their child about the Crusades, the Inquisition, Colonialism, Manifest Destiny, and that child will learn that violence has its place....even as an expression of faith.

    its silly to suggest that teaching about the Bible, will automatically make one a peaceful, kind, and gentle soul.

    cases in point: Anders Breivik & Eric Rudolph.
    Hmm Maybe if TJ Lane got burned at the stake and the barbecue was broadcast widely the next loser who decides to shoot up a school might decide that roasting alive might not be a great idea

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    however, one could teach their child about the Crusades, the Inquisition, Colonialism, Manifest Destiny, and that child will learn that violence has its place....even as an expression of faith.

    its silly to suggest that teaching about the Bible, will automatically make one a peaceful, kind, and gentle soul.

    cases in point: Anders Breivik & Eric Rudolph.


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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Hmm Maybe if TJ Lane got burned at the stake and the barbecue was broadcast widely the next loser who decides to shoot up a school might decide that roasting alive might not be a great idea
    or, we could bring back the Four-Winds.

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its silly to suggest that teaching about the Bible, will automatically make one a peaceful, kind, and gentle soul.
    If anyone had actually said that, you might have a point.
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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    or, we could bring back the Four-Winds.
    I miss that reference

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    There is so much imbedded violence in our culture. I'm not talking about from the media or video games, but from the regular injustices that every person faces. It's the lack of compassion, the degradation of sense of community, the way the government abuses their powers, the way corporates gouge us and don't pay enough for people to live on. Children become violent because their parents feel violent, and both are a production of our country devolving.

    If our society cultivated compassion and made that the primary focus - of business, of voting for political office, of our biggest issues - children would not be shooting up their classmates or suffer horrible bullying and ostracization.

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    How did this high school student end up with a gun in school? I'm not a huge supporter of gun control but this is absurd! How many more of our youth need to die before something happens?
    I am concerned their is going to be more. More laws by our local/State/Federal govt. is not the answer. We as a country need to take a hard look at the family structure and ask ourselves, our parents providing the guidance to their children that is necessary for them to grow up and be good citizens. I realize some kids turn out bad despite good parents. However, I feel many of these kids may not have received proper education at home regarding values.
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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I don't understand. In my day, the worst I worries about were knives. What happens to make a HS student into a mass murderer?
    I'm not sure either. I think it's a a multitude of factors, the Colorado shooters were outcasts, bullied, immoral, and sociopathic. This kid may have been pushed too far and lashed out in desperation, he could have had violent tendancies, not sure. I remember when we just did what we had to do when I went to school, we avoided those that bullied and just let things roll till better times came. We fought, but we did it with our hands.

    This isn't just a school issue though. I try to mind my own business and stay civil when I go out because it's always the little idiot with a loud mouth and a gun that tends to be a problem. I even remember one of those little idiots getting arrested in my college days for screaming in public he was going to get his gun, yeah, real smart man throw out threats of violence in a crowded bar and give security/police a reason to detain you.

    I dunno, people are crazy.
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