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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Not cool on the system's part. It tells victims they just "have to take it" as if that would ever be an option outside of school property, and that pure numbers punishment seriously makes me sick, it's basically telling the victim they are just as wrong in using violence to stop as the perpetrators. I don't get how admins. can get their heads that far up their asses.
    agreed its a terrible example to set. The schools need to have a system more like REALITY.

    My daughter knows the rules.
    I told her I never want her to START anything and if her friends get into a fight she better not be kicking a girl when they are down or anything stupid like that. I told her she WILL get in trouble but she'll have my support 100%, if theres no other choice and you have to use force, if anybody tries to man handle her and they forcible touch her she is to punch them right in the face as hard as she can and as many times as needed if they are still coming.
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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    agreed its a terrible example to set. The schools need to have a system more like REALITY.

    My daughter knows the rules.
    I told her I never want her to START anything and if her friends get into a fight she better not be kicking a girl when they are down or anything stupid like that. I told her she WILL get in trouble but she'll have my support 100%, if theres no other choice and you have to use force, if anybody tries to man handle her and they forcible touch her she is to punch them right in the face as hard as she can and as many times as needed if they are still coming.
    Sounds like my own folks. They always told me if I'm right they'd back me, if not I would be responsible.
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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't see why that is. If a bully is attacking you, shouldn't you be allowed to defend yourself?
    Sure. I simply said that we shouldn't encourage that action and that we shouldn't overreact when that happens.

    As for overreacting, it doesn't seem that way. Tbh there is not enough action being taken. If students are committing suicide from such harrassment, then perhaps it's time for Draconian bully laws.
    I was talking about the actions we take when two kids get into a fight.

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    If I am on the street and someone throws a punch at me they will never make that mistake again, I will throw them a horrendous beating that will leave more mental scars than physical ones.
    I'm glad that you can defend yourself but as I told my sons, watch the bragging as there is always someone tougher than you.

    I don't care if people think it's overreacting or not, the person at fault is going to answer for an unprovoked attack, if I were a student and did so I would be legally protected anywhere but at school. That is crap, if one doesn't want to get injured they should keep their hands to themselves.
    The overreaction I'm talking about is when two kids simply get into a spat. My sons (twins) were small. I do not know where they got it from but they would simply not put up with a slight. My son Josh would often times get into a fight. I have to say, it was rare that he started it. He wasn't aggressive. He didn't bully kids. He just wouldn't take a offensive from anyone. I was called more than once to his school and told that I needed to take him for counseling. Maybe he needed to see if he had ADHD or something. It was an overreaction.

    THere was nothing wrong with him, he just wouldn't be talked down to. He rarely was suspended because it was never him that started it. I would use the same arguement you are using. "Is he not allowed to defend himself"? He knew I would be pissed if he was picking on someone else. It happened one time and I wasn't happy. I personally called the kids mom and apologized. They are good friends today. Josh has stuck up for him more than a few times. (he's someone that was often picked on).

    He is 21 now. 5'9 and about 128 lbs. Nobody in the area messes with him. LOL I believe that most bullies don't want to actually fight. Everyone knew that Josh was happy to punch you in the nose. At 18 he said he wanted to fight in the local Toughman contest. That year the lowest weight class was 139-158. He weighted 125. I bought him ankle weights to weight in. He made it to the semi finals.

    I do not have a problem with kids fighting. What I taught my kids was that the answer was not to fight BUT if you had to, then you had to. His brother is the same. Over the years they have beat the crap out of each other. LOL Justin got his butt kicked the year before last but he wouldn't quit. The ringman told him to not go out for the last round and he said he was fine. Got beat bad but he went the distance. I'm pretty sure that Justin has never thrown the first punch ever. Swing at him though and he will never stop hitting back.

    The reason for my story is that even though they were always small, they never, ever allowed anyone to bully them. I was fine with that but I never encouraged them to fight.

    I realize that some kids are different. I would never punish a kid for fighting back.

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm glad that you can defend yourself but as I told my sons, watch the bragging as there is always someone tougher than you.
    True, but I am too stubborn to let them get away with it. Tough is in your mind as much as anything.



    The overreaction I'm talking about is when two kids simply get into a spat. My sons (twins) were small. I do not know where they got it from but they would simply not put up with a slight. My son Josh would often times get into a fight. I have to say, it was rare that he started it. He wasn't aggressive. He didn't bully kids. He just wouldn't take a offensive from anyone. I was called more than once to his school and told that I needed to take him for counseling. Maybe he needed to see if he had ADHD or something. It was an overreaction.

    THere was nothing wrong with him, he just wouldn't be talked down to. He rarely was suspended because it was never him that started it. I would use the same arguement you are using. "Is he not allowed to defend himself"? He knew I would be pissed if he was picking on someone else. It happened one time and I wasn't happy. I personally called the kids mom and apologized. They are good friends today. Josh has stuck up for him more than a few times. (he's someone that was often picked on).

    He is 21 now. 5'9 and about 128 lbs. Nobody in the area messes with him. LOL I believe that most bullies don't want to actually fight. Everyone knew that Josh was happy to punch you in the nose. At 18 he said he wanted to fight in the local Toughman contest. That year the lowest weight class was 139-158. He weighted 125. I bought him ankle weights to weight in. He made it to the semi finals.

    I do not have a problem with kids fighting. What I taught my kids was that the answer was not to fight BUT if you had to, then you had to. His brother is the same. Over the years they have beat the crap out of each other. LOL Justin got his butt kicked the year before last but he wouldn't quit. The ringman told him to not go out for the last round and he said he was fine. Got beat bad but he went the distance. I'm pretty sure that Justin has never thrown the first punch ever. Swing at him though and he will never stop hitting back.

    The reason for my story is that even though they were always small, they never, ever allowed anyone to bully them. I was fine with that but I never encouraged them to fight.

    I realize that some kids are different. I would never punish a kid for fighting back.
    Oh I agree. No reason for kids to get into a life or death situation if it can be avoided. What my point boils down to is that the schools implementing zero tolerance policies are overreactions to a percieved violence problem, what it really does is train a bunch of wimps more scared of statutory consequences than lethal ones. That thinking gets people killed in the real world.
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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Oh I agree. No reason for kids to get into a life or death situation if it can be avoided. What my point boils down to is that the schools implementing zero tolerance policies are overreactions to a percieved violence problem, what it really does is train a bunch of wimps more scared of statutory consequences than lethal ones. That thinking gets people killed in the real world.
    That's what I said. An overreaction.

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    That's what I said. An overreaction.
    I may have misunderstood. I think we're on the same page now.
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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    He may have been, but my wager is on the fact that he came from screwed-up parents and had a screwed-up life. Any form of excess in child-rearing will contribute to raising a maladaptive child. If you are violent and beat them, they will be screwed up. If you coddle and baby them, they will be screwed up. Alot of people can't take the middle road and do what's best for the child, which is to disclipine them with love, doing what the child needs in order to be a healthy functioning member of society.
    Yes, I agree with you here... this is a greater issue than simply a child who had been diagnosed with an issue and prescribed such drugs, but it also requires wrongful parenting, and all in all a person who's already aggressive, but then you also have to figure that these people were social outcasts and that this combination created the motivation and means, where the drugs made it so the child lacked the inhibition to realize just how wrong what he was doing IS.

    There's definitely some pre-requisites in a childs life that make him become a psycopath in his older years, and in the same manner there are prerequisites that are required for someone to perpetrate a massive shooting of helpless victims.

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