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    Re: Another School Shooting

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    Re: Another School Shooting

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    Having said all this? If I ever have kids? I will teach them if someone hits you? You have a right to hit back and hopefully beat they ass. A child should be allowed to defend within limits and it does piss me off when these schools suspend kids for protecting themselves from someone coming up to them and frigging sucker punching them or hitting them. They really expect kids NOT to react to being hit like that? Give me a break.
    The bolded was my point. We don't allow children to apply the justice that bullies really need anymore. Bullying was more common when I was a kid, it's just that we were able to address it in the manner in which it needed to be addressed.
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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The bolded was my point. We don't allow children to apply the justice that bullies really need anymore. Bullying was more common when I was a kid, it's just that we were able to address it in the manner in which it needed to be addressed.
    I don't like zero tolerance policies, we have a right to self defense anywhere else, school is not any different in reality when faced with decisions such as defense. I also don't like the precedent set by disallowing self defense in the school because it could teach these kids to be wimps and might get a few killed one day when they leave the system.
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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I don't like zero tolerance policies, we have a right to self defense anywhere else, school is not any different in reality when faced with decisions such as defense. I also don't like the precedent set by disallowing self defense in the school because it could teach these kids to be wimps and might get a few killed one day when they leave the system.
    We shouldn't encourage the idea that the proper response is to hit someone else. That isn't where we are messing up. Where we are messing up is in overreacting when it does happen.

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    We shouldn't encourage the idea that the proper response is to hit someone else. That isn't where we are messing up. Where we are messing up is in overreacting when it does happen.
    Yup because sitting there and getting wailed on without defending yourself is clearly the way to go.
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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I don't like zero tolerance policies, we have a right to self defense anywhere else, school is not any different in reality when faced with decisions such as defense. I also don't like the precedent set by disallowing self defense in the school because it could teach these kids to be wimps and might get a few killed one day when they leave the system.
    I agree 100%
    Zero tolerance policies are complete BS!
    I didnt have them when I was in school but they are around now. One of the girls I coach was getting harassed for half the school year. (pushing, name calling, taking her stuff, threw gum in her hair etc ALL ON RECORD) Typically she ignored it and acted like the bigger person. Well I guess these girls werent getting the reaction they wanted so TWO girls jumped her and started attacking her, a third girl just kind of helped and pushed her like one time. Well those two girls lost and while they were hair pulling and smacking and kicking at her they managed to get themselves punched in the face LMAO

    This happened in the main hallway so it was on audio/video.

    you know what happen?

    the girl that got jumped got 10 day suspension and 5 days detention

    the girls that did the jumping got 3 and 2?!?!?!!

    WHy because of zero tolerance and they said that girl fought with 2 girls and the other girls only fought with 1 girl? COMPLETE BS!

    and another case IN MY SCHOOL DISTRICT a bot was hit in the back of the head with a book, then punched, then kicked, while being kicked he manage to grab his attackers leg and pull him down. All he could do after being suckered and attack was basically hold on to him until teachers got there, this was WITNESSED by the school nurse, shes older so she feared trying to break it up and they both got 3 days suspension and 2 days detention. WHAT A CROCK!

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    I agree 100%
    Zero tolerance policies are complete BS!
    You should have agreed 99%, and left out the 'complete'. For the sake of consistency.

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    We shouldn't encourage the idea that the proper response is to hit someone else. That isn't where we are messing up. Where we are messing up is in overreacting when it does happen.
    I don't see why that is. If a bully is attacking you, shouldn't you be allowed to defend yourself?

    As for overreacting, it doesn't seem that way. Tbh there is not enough action being taken. If students are committing suicide from such harrassment, then perhaps it's time for Draconian bully laws.

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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    We shouldn't encourage the idea that the proper response is to hit someone else. That isn't where we are messing up. Where we are messing up is in overreacting when it does happen.
    If I am on the street and someone throws a punch at me they will never make that mistake again, I will throw them a horrendous beating that will leave more mental scars than physical ones. I don't care if people think it's overreacting or not, the person at fault is going to answer for an unprovoked attack, if I were a student and did so I would be legally protected anywhere but at school. That is crap, if one doesn't want to get injured they should keep their hands to themselves.
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    Re: Another School Shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    I agree 100%
    Zero tolerance policies are complete BS!
    I didnt have them when I was in school but they are around now. One of the girls I coach was getting harassed for half the school year. (pushing, name calling, taking her stuff, threw gum in her hair etc ALL ON RECORD) Typically she ignored it and acted like the bigger person. Well I guess these girls werent getting the reaction they wanted so TWO girls jumped her and started attacking her, a third girl just kind of helped and pushed her like one time. Well those two girls lost and while they were hair pulling and smacking and kicking at her they managed to get themselves punched in the face LMAO

    This happened in the main hallway so it was on audio/video.

    you know what happen?

    the girl that got jumped got 10 day suspension and 5 days detention

    the girls that did the jumping got 3 and 2?!?!?!!

    WHy because of zero tolerance and they said that girl fought with 2 girls and the other girls only fought with 1 girl? COMPLETE BS!

    and another case IN MY SCHOOL DISTRICT a bot was hit in the back of the head with a book, then punched, then kicked, while being kicked he manage to grab his attackers leg and pull him down. All he could do after being suckered and attack was basically hold on to him until teachers got there, this was WITNESSED by the school nurse, shes older so she feared trying to break it up and they both got 3 days suspension and 2 days detention. WHAT A CROCK!

    lol
    Not cool on the system's part. It tells victims they just "have to take it" as if that would ever be an option outside of school property, and that pure numbers punishment seriously makes me sick, it's basically telling the victim they are just as wrong in using violence to stop as the perpetrators. I don't get how admins. can get their heads that far up their asses.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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