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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the police of New York City have no jurisdiction to set up operations in another city, let alone another state.

    its highly inappropriate for them to be doing such things, without the consent of the local authorities.

    one could even argue that any information gathered from such operations, are inadmissable in court. Imagine the egg on the face of the NYPD, if they arrest a big-time terrorist, only to have the charges tossed out because the operation is deemed illegal.
    are the potential terrorists going to be restricted to a particular jurisdiction - the one in which they are planning to attack? if so, then you concern is legitimate. if not, then your alarm is without any prudent basis

    i want to see another jurisdiction raise its objection to the prospect of law enforcement from another locale working to prevent another terrorist strike. i do not anticipate the citizens re-electing any official who would put out such a welcome mat for terrorists

    why would the information gathered in another jurisdiction be found inadmissable or the evidence be deemed illegal?
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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    are the potential terrorists going to be restricted to a particular jurisdiction - the one in which they are planning to attack? if so, then you concern is legitimate. if not, then your alarm is without any prudent basis...
    what part of the words NEW YORK Police Department, don't you understand?

    the fact is, there are perfectly legal and legitimate ways for cross-border police investigations to take place. They involve cooperation & coordination.

    however, Bloomberg & Ray Kelly, seem to think they are above all that. I can understand why Bloomy feels that way, as he is very rich man and therefore feels he can do whatever the **** he wants and get whatever the **** he wants.
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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what part of the words NEW YORK Police Department, don't you understand?
    i believe you will agree that terrorists are not limited to a particular jurisdiction to inflict their harm. so, why is it found reasonable to restrict the ability of our police to stop their terrorist actions when those actions occur outside a particular jurisdiction

    the fact is, there are perfectly legal and legitimate ways for cross-border police investigations to take place. They involve cooperation & coordination.
    why is this believed to be necessary?
    you want the police to interrupt terrorists while they are plotting their attacks or do you want them to expose their covert sources. choose one

    however, Bloomberg & Ray Kelly, seem to think they are above all that. I can understand why Bloomy feels that way, as he is very rich man and therefore feels he can do whatever the **** he wants and get whatever the **** he wants.
    that very rich man is also very smart. he recognizes that his ass will be on the line to answer to his constituents if it is learned that his police were able to ferret out terrorist activity but stopped their interdiction because the terrorists crossed the NYC border into another jurisdiction
    i believe intercepting terrorists is more important that coloring between the lines, only because you have always colored between the lines and expect everyone else to do the same
    it is that kind of mentality which exposes our society to the harm of terrorists. they exploit our rules against us. it's like the british pissing and moaning because the patriots refused to line up and fight according to the then accepted rules of war. they thought it was uncivil for those patriots to use guerrilla warfare against them, hiding and firing at their officers. notice which side prevailed. (hint: it was not the one that insisted on coloring within the lines)
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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Surveillance is fine, you want to cross state lines, you need to get the permission of the state you are invading.
    Good point - I didn't readily notice that he had gone out of his boundaries - again.

    I think he's a little bit off his rocker - encroaching on overzealous dictator if you contrast him with others in the past.
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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i believe you will agree that terrorists are not limited to a particular jurisdiction to inflict their harm. so, why is it found reasonable to restrict the ability of our police to stop their terrorist actions when those actions occur outside a particular jurisdiction...
    why is it unreasonable to ask the NYPD to coordinate their efforts with the police that DO have jurisdiction?

    you seem to think that EVERY police department should be able to conduct operations wherever they want, regardless of the views of the citizens where the operation is done.

    what if the people of Seattle, the Mayor, the City Council, and the police, don't want the NYPD conducting operations on their territory?

    are their views irrelevant, when terrorism is concerned?

    if some hillybilly, redneck sheriff wanted to do some investigation in NY, I'd expect the NYPD to kindly ask the guy to get the **** out or be arrested.
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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why is it unreasonable to ask the NYPD to coordinate their efforts with the police that DO have jurisdiction?
    there is a reason that these activities are termed "covert"
    coloring within the lines as you insist will not aid their efforts. so, choose between process or results
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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    there is a reason that these activities are termed "covert"
    coloring within the lines as you insist will not aid their efforts. so, choose between process or results
    what results?

    NYPD Commissioner talked about more than 40 arrests...but no convictions.

    Looks like the results are nill.

    Oh, except for the possible FBI investigations that were ruined, because the NYPD thinks they can do whatever the **** they want, wherever they want, whenever they want.

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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what results?
    the results that accrue when a covert operation does not expose its covert activities to interdict terrorist activities

    NYPD Commissioner talked about more than 40 arrests...but no convictions.
    tell us how many of that 40 have walked. until then, you have nothing

    Looks like the results are nill.
    looks like the results are actually 40 arrested for engaging in terrorist activities
    arrests that may not have been possible had they followed your desire and exposed their covert actors

    Oh, except for the possible FBI investigations that were ruined, because the NYPD thinks they can do whatever the **** they want, wherever they want, whenever they want.
    please identify any such ruined fbi investigations. i am betting that is nothing but a fabrication on your part because you have an inability to defend your position in this thread
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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ...looks like the results are actually 40 arrested for engaging in terrorist activities...
    looks like? says who?

    where are you getting your info from?

    I could just as easily say that they were arrested for suspcion of involvement in terrorist activities, and none of them were charged and they are ALL free.

    trust me, if ANY of those arrests led to a conviction, Ray Kelly would have used it as propaganda to justify his operation.

    the fact that they can't flaunt even ONE conviction, stemming from this operation, tells us the value & success of this operation.

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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    looks like? says who?

    where are you getting your info from?
    here you go:
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    to defend the program, Ray Kelly claims that more than 40 suspected terrorists have been arrested, due to this program.

    no mention of convictions, of course. maybe cause there were none?
    I could just as easily say that they were arrested for suspcion of involvement in terrorist activities, and none of them were charged and they are ALL free.

    trust me, if ANY of those arrests led to a conviction, Ray Kelly would have used it as propaganda to justify his operation.

    the fact that they can't flaunt even ONE conviction, stemming from this operation, tells us the value & success of this operation.
    you mentioned the 40 arrests
    now tell us how many of those 40 have been released
    until then, it appears the covert anti-terrorism task force was effective in taking 40 potential terrorists off the streets
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