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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    You do not have to show the warrant to conduct surveillance but you do have to obtain one. If the warrant was issue on a case of racial profiling.... It is invalid and illegal.

    This story insinuates that the monitoring was based on the subjects religion alone. If true, that it very much illegal.
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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    "He's brown....put a tail on him."


    To say that profiling doesn't. or shouldn't happen...is kinda wrong, in my opinion. The sad fact of the matter is, profiling works. However, the issue we seem to be having is, cops can't figure out that just because you might SUSPECT a greater chance or percentage from a specific profile (be it racial, ethnic, or religious), does NOT grant them leave to treat said person as a suspect. That's too big of a leap, with nothing in between to support it.

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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    ...I think New Yorkers are scared of their own shadows.
    off the top of my head, I can list five terrorist attacks that have occured in NYC, and four more that failed or were foiled right before Zero Hour.

    so yeah, we take terrorism seriously. You would too if 3,000 people from your area were snuffed out by radical nuts.

    however, this NYPD program seems to label ALL Muslims, as terrorist-suspects. And that's not right.

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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I remember the outcries from many people when 9/11 happened "why did you see this coming, why didn't you stop this before it happened!"

    And this is what happens when the usual approach to law enforcement doesn't prevent tragedy.

    I think pressure from the public and a failure of the government to do it's job for sufficiently as far as intelligence goes has created this situation - if it is, in fact, happening like it's presented.


    I think it is one thing for federal law enforcement to engage in such things, but it needs to be with cause. NYC has NO STANDING outside of NYC and they need to stop infringing on other states citizens rights.


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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    How are they suppose to catch the real bad guys if they have to show the real bad guys the warrant to do surveillance? Surveillance isn't the same as searching your house.

    I think they should still start with reported activity, etc - not ust flat out monitoring and following just anybody based on racial or religious profiling though.


    Surveillance is fine, you want to cross state lines, you need to get the permission of the state you are invading.
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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Surveillance is fine, you want to cross state lines, you need to get the permission of the state you are invading.
    I am troubled by the idea of the NYPD conducting recconnaissance missions and stings, in other cities & states, without the consent of the local police & Mayor.

    And the fact that Ray Kelly justifies this by discussing arrests made...and NOT any convictions...suggests that the operations have been fruitless.

    It would be a good idea, and would send a strong message, if Christie or one of the Mayors in Jersey filed charges with the DA. Bloomy needs to come down to Earth.

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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I am troubled by the idea of the NYPD conducting recconnaissance missions and stings, in other cities & states, without the consent of the local police & Mayor.

    And the fact that Ray Kelly justifies this by discussing arrests made...and NOT any convictions...suggests that the operations have been fruitless.

    It would be a good idea, and would send a strong message, if Christie or one of the Mayors in Jersey filed charges with the DA. Bloomy needs to come down to Earth.


    Didn't you argue in support of his AZ gun stings?
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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Didn't you argue in support of his AZ gun stings?
    actually, I suggested that if the local authorities have a problem with the stings, they should file charges. I have no problem with that.

    its their jurisdiction, they can do as they want.

    The NYPD should have some professional courtesy, and inform local authorities when they engage in such operations.

    doing stings and snooping on citizens, should not be done without the knowledge of the local authorities.

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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    would someone please point out what is disgusting about law enforcement performing legal surveillance in an effort to prevent covert action against our citizens
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    Re: NYPD surveillance of students called 'disgusting'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    would someone please point out what is disgusting about law enforcement performing legal surveillance in an effort to prevent covert action against our citizens
    the police of New York City have no jurisdiction to set up operations in another city, let alone another state.

    its highly inappropriate for them to be doing such things, without the consent of the local authorities.

    one could even argue that any information gathered from such operations, are inadmissable in court. Imagine the egg on the face of the NYPD, if they arrest a big-time terrorist, only to have the charges tossed out because the operation is deemed illegal.

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