Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

AdamT · Feb 26, 2012

The reason seems pretty clear. Hello ... would you really want to spend eternity hanging out with a bunch of Mormons? Better import a bunch of smart, funny people to break up the monogamy ... err ... monotony.

Thrilla · Feb 26, 2012

taxigirl said:
What if you don't want anybody acting on behalf of you to enter the kingdom of god?

then you decline the offer.

Thrilla · Feb 26, 2012

AdamT said:
The reason seems pretty clear. Hello ... would you really want to spend eternity hanging out with a bunch of Mormons? Better import a bunch of smart, funny people to break up the monogamy ... err ... monotony.

Mormons are generally very nice folks...even to bigots who don't like them.

another reason i'm not a Mormon any more... my capacity to be nice is limited.

AdamT · Feb 26, 2012

Thrilla said:
Mormons are generally very nice folks...even to bigots who don't like them.

another reason i'm not a Mormon any more... my capacity to be nice is limited.

Absolutely! But how many times can you watch the same Leave it to Beaver episode before it gets old?

taxigirl · Feb 26, 2012

Thrilla said:
then you decline the offer.

Can't decline if I'm dead. :angel?:

Thrilla · Feb 26, 2012

taxigirl said:
Can't decline if I'm dead. :angel?:

you assume you won't be able to make the choice.. Mormons assume the opposite..

most religions believe your spirit lives on... but if you are right, and your spirit doesn't live on, then the baptism is irrelevant to you... you'd never know it happened and it would change nothing.

taxigirl · Feb 26, 2012

Thrilla said:
you assume you won't be able to make the choice.. Mormons assume the opposite..

most religions believe your spirit lives on... but if you are right, and your spirit doesn't live on, then the baptism is irrelevant to you... you'd never know it happened and it would change nothing.

It does not matter what you believe about the afterlife. It is about respecting each other's beliefs and wishes. Isn't it disrspectful when you don't respect a deceased person's burial / cremation wishes? or their wishes in a will?

Thrilla · Feb 26, 2012

taxigirl said:
It does not matter what you believe about the afterlife. It is about respecting each other's beliefs and wishes. Isn't it disrspectful when you don't respect a deceased person's burial / cremation wishes? or their wishes in a will?

cremation/burial/will.. those are tangible thing the living can observe.... life in the afterlife is something we can only assume.

if you stick to you wishes/beliefs and they turn out to be wrong.. wouldn't it be nice to have a shot at making the right choice?
if your beliefs turn out to be correct, then you can always say "no thanks" and nobody gets hurt... no harm no foul.

I don't know about you, but if i get up there , and my beliefs are all wrong.. i'd really like a chance to do the right thing... it's preferable to hanging out for an eternity thinking " awww crap.. i screwed the pooch on this one"...I don't want the arrogance and ignorance of my mortal decisions being an impediment an entry in to the. kingdom of God.. if such a kingdom does, indeed, exist.
I won't mind one bit if any other religion wants to throw me a bone while i'm waiting up there.. even if i find out i don't need it.

I think the case here is that the living get offended, not the dead... but i also think the dead mean more than the living ( in regards to this issue), primarily because they would be in a better position than anyone living to know what's up.

AdamT · Feb 26, 2012

It's like spiritual kidnapping. The sort of crap you'd expect from a cult.

taxigirl · Feb 26, 2012

Thrilla said:
cremation/burial/will.. those are tangible thing the living can observe.... life in the afterlife is something we can only assume.

if you stick to you wishes/beliefs and they turn out to be wrong.. wouldn't it be nice to have a shot at making the right choice?
if your beliefs turn out to be correct, then you can always say "no thanks" and nobody gets hurt... no harm no foul.

I don't know about you, but if i get up there , and my beliefs are all wrong.. i'd really like a chance to do the right thing... it's preferable to hanging out for an eternity thinking " awww crap.. i screwed the pooch on this one"...I don't want the arrogance and ignorance of my mortal decisions being an impediment an entry in to the. kingdom of God.. if such a kingdom does, indeed, exist.
I won't mind one bit if any other religion wants to throw me a bone while i'm waiting up there.. even if i find out i don't need it.

I think the case here is that the living get offended, not the dead... but i also think the dead mean more than the living ( in regards to this issue), primarily because they would be in a better position than anyone living to know what's up.

I think I said before that I would hope someone would stand up for me. It ires me and I think that what they are doing is arrogant. What if someone believes they can see the world of the living -- which I point out b/c said that the deceased would not know.

Thrilla · Feb 26, 2012

taxigirl said:
I think I said before that I would hope someone would stand up for me. It ires me and I think that what they are doing is arrogant. What if someone believes they can see the world of the living -- which I point out b/c said that the deceased would not know.

well, it's your right to be offended if ya want to be.. there's nothing anyone else can do about that.
i'm just here to explain what i know....

Bob Blaylock · Feb 26, 2012

Thrilla said:
Mormons are generally very nice folks...even to bigots who don't like them.

another reason i'm not a Mormon any more... my capacity to be nice is limited.

So is mine, but I have never seen that as a reason to leave the church. None of us are perfect. The church is not a museum for saints; but a hospital for sinners.

Thrilla · Feb 26, 2012

Bob Blaylock said:
So is mine, but I have never seen that as a reason to leave the church. None of us are perfect. The church is not a museum for saints; but a hospital for sinners.

that's not a primary reason I left.. just of a side note.
I like the way you put that though.. hospital for sinners... very cool.

Bob Blaylock · Feb 26, 2012

Thrilla said:
that's not a primary reason I left.. just of a side note.
I like the way you put that though.. hospital for sinners... very cool.

I can't claim credit for it. It's a cliché that has been around for a long time. I don't think it is even a Mormon-specific cliché, but one about religion (or at least Christianity) in general.

j-mac · Feb 26, 2012

taxigirl said:
....I would hope someone would stand up stand say "Stop trying to devalue her beliefs".

Really? You gonna stand and say that concerning the Catholic Church, and what the administration is doing via contraception to their devaluing the Church's beliefs? My guess is no, so Yeah, your words are hollow here.

j-mac

taxigirl · Feb 26, 2012

j-mac said:
Really? You gonna stand and say that concerning the Catholic Church, and what the administration is doing via contraception to their devaluing the Church's beliefs? My guess is no, so Yeah, your words are hollow here.
j-mac

The church is an organization, with many people with varied beliefs. Not all catholics follow all the rules the various diocese present. That is not the point. If someone wants to stand up for their beliefs or their church's beliefs they can do that. A dead person cannot.

When did I say "that concerning the Catholic Church, and what the administration is doing via contraception to their devaluing the Church's beliefs"

liblady · Feb 26, 2012

taxigirl said:
The church is an organization, with many people with varied beliefs. Not all catholics follow all the rules the various diocese present. That is not the point. If someone wants to stand up for their beliefs or their church's beliefs they can do that. A dead person cannot.

When did I say "that concerning the Catholic Church, and what the administration is doing via contraception to their devaluing the Church's beliefs"

In fact, MANY Catholics ignore the no contraception rule.

digsbe · Feb 26, 2012

taxigirl said:
Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons - Times Union

Hmmm. Now they can come for us even when wer're dead. (Not referrering to the Mormons, just the infamous "they" that will eventually come for all us if no one stands up). I guess now we need to provide rights to the deceased.

Actually, I have no idea who "they" are. Please elaborate.

j-mac · Feb 26, 2012

taxigirl said:
The church is an organization, with many people with varied beliefs. Not all catholics follow all the rules the various diocese present. That is not the point. If someone wants to stand up for their beliefs or their church's beliefs they can do that. A dead person cannot.

So your outrage is selective here...Got it...

When did I say "that concerning the Catholic Church, and what the administration is doing via contraception to their devaluing the Church's beliefs"

Don't try and confuse the issue...Are you trying to imply here that you think that the administration imposing the coverage of BC on the Church as a mandate is wrong? I don't understand what the Mormon church is doing by doing this, but in the end do we really know enough about who within the LDS reasons are for this?

See, I think you brought it up as an attack against Romney to tie him to this type of stuff in order to smear him in a bigoted way that really has no place in politics today unless you are willing to have the Rev Wright debate brought up. So, I'd tread lightly if I were you.

j-mac

Thrilla · Feb 26, 2012

taxigirl said:
The church is an organization, with many people with varied beliefs. Not all catholics follow all the rules the various diocese present. That is not the point. If someone wants to stand up for their beliefs or their church's beliefs they can do that. A dead person cannot.

When did I say "that concerning the Catholic Church, and what the administration is doing via contraception to their devaluing the Church's beliefs"

i'm still not sure about your personal religious preference.... and i'm a bit puzzled as to where you gained the beliefs that the dead cannot "stand' for themselves.
as far as i'm aware, every Christian denomination believes in life after death... the spirit lives on.

every Christianity denomination .. (and i believe, Judaism) , belief in some sort of intermediate state where after-death purification can take place (Mormons call it the "spirit world" some call it "purgatory").... i mean, it's the entire basis for praying for the dead

UtahBill · Feb 26, 2012

taxigirl said:
Isn't that what baptism is saying, "Here, you had a different belief, we will cleanse you and now you will be saved (or whatever)"?

baptism alone is not 'being saved", different belief is not sin....

digsbe · Feb 26, 2012

Thrilla said:
i'm still not sure about your personal religious preference.... and i'm a bit puzzled as to where you gained the beliefs that the dead cannot "stand' for themselves.
as far as i'm aware, every Christian denomination believes in life after death... the spirit lives on.

every Christianity denomination .. (and i believe, Judaism) , belief in some sort of intermediate state where after-death purification can take place (Mormons call it the "spirit world" some call it "purgatory").... i mean, it's the entire basis for praying for the dead

Not all Christians believe in purgatory or a medium spiritual world. My beliefs that are after death judgement follows with heaven or hell being the result. Me, my family, nor anyone in my church or parent's denominatino believe in purgatory or that we can pray for the dead.

j-mac · Feb 26, 2012

digsbe said:
Not all Christians believe in purgatory or a medium spiritual world. My beliefs that are after death judgement follows with heaven or hell being the result. Me, my family, nor anyone in my church or parent's denominatino believe in purgatory or that we can pray for the dead.

There are those that believe that a 'purgatory' exists in this realm.

j-mac

UtahBill · Feb 26, 2012

1 Corinthians 15:29 is, IIRC, the only source in the NT that refers to this...
so it isn't exactly a new concept, in case anyone was thinking that.

as for purgatory, or spirit world, I don't know of any NT reference to either.

taxigirl · Feb 26, 2012

digsbe said:
Actually, I have no idea who "they" are. Please elaborate.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me

--Martin Niemöller

"They" the people who oppress and push their beliefs on others, take away rights, take away your spirit and maybe your life.

Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

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