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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Can't decline if I'm dead.
    you assume you won't be able to make the choice.. Mormons assume the opposite..

    most religions believe your spirit lives on... but if you are right, and your spirit doesn't live on, then the baptism is irrelevant to you... you'd never know it happened and it would change nothing.

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

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    you assume you won't be able to make the choice.. Mormons assume the opposite..

    most religions believe your spirit lives on... but if you are right, and your spirit doesn't live on, then the baptism is irrelevant to you... you'd never know it happened and it would change nothing.
    It does not matter what you believe about the afterlife. It is about respecting each other's beliefs and wishes. Isn't it disrspectful when you don't respect a deceased person's burial / cremation wishes? or their wishes in a will?

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    It does not matter what you believe about the afterlife. It is about respecting each other's beliefs and wishes. Isn't it disrspectful when you don't respect a deceased person's burial / cremation wishes? or their wishes in a will?
    cremation/burial/will.. those are tangible thing the living can observe.... life in the afterlife is something we can only assume.

    if you stick to you wishes/beliefs and they turn out to be wrong.. wouldn't it be nice to have a shot at making the right choice?
    if your beliefs turn out to be correct, then you can always say "no thanks" and nobody gets hurt... no harm no foul.

    I don't know about you, but if i get up there , and my beliefs are all wrong.. i'd really like a chance to do the right thing... it's preferable to hanging out for an eternity thinking " awww crap.. i screwed the pooch on this one"...I don't want the arrogance and ignorance of my mortal decisions being an impediment an entry in to the. kingdom of God.. if such a kingdom does, indeed, exist.
    I won't mind one bit if any other religion wants to throw me a bone while i'm waiting up there.. even if i find out i don't need it.

    I think the case here is that the living get offended, not the dead... but i also think the dead mean more than the living ( in regards to this issue), primarily because they would be in a better position than anyone living to know what's up.

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    It's like spiritual kidnapping. The sort of crap you'd expect from a cult.

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    cremation/burial/will.. those are tangible thing the living can observe.... life in the afterlife is something we can only assume.

    if you stick to you wishes/beliefs and they turn out to be wrong.. wouldn't it be nice to have a shot at making the right choice?
    if your beliefs turn out to be correct, then you can always say "no thanks" and nobody gets hurt... no harm no foul.

    I don't know about you, but if i get up there , and my beliefs are all wrong.. i'd really like a chance to do the right thing... it's preferable to hanging out for an eternity thinking " awww crap.. i screwed the pooch on this one"...I don't want the arrogance and ignorance of my mortal decisions being an impediment an entry in to the. kingdom of God.. if such a kingdom does, indeed, exist.
    I won't mind one bit if any other religion wants to throw me a bone while i'm waiting up there.. even if i find out i don't need it.

    I think the case here is that the living get offended, not the dead... but i also think the dead mean more than the living ( in regards to this issue), primarily because they would be in a better position than anyone living to know what's up.
    I think I said before that I would hope someone would stand up for me. It ires me and I think that what they are doing is arrogant. What if someone believes they can see the world of the living -- which I point out b/c said that the deceased would not know.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didn’t have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, I’m allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and I’ve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I don’t, before you know it, you won’t let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I think I said before that I would hope someone would stand up for me. It ires me and I think that what they are doing is arrogant. What if someone believes they can see the world of the living -- which I point out b/c said that the deceased would not know.
    well, it's your right to be offended if ya want to be.. there's nothing anyone else can do about that.
    i'm just here to explain what i know....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Mormons are generally very nice folks...even to bigots who don't like them.

    another reason i'm not a Mormon any more... my capacity to be nice is limited.
    So is mine, but I have never seen that as a reason to leave the church. None of us are perfect. The church is not a museum for saints; but a hospital for sinners.
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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    So is mine, but I have never seen that as a reason to leave the church. None of us are perfect. The church is not a museum for saints; but a hospital for sinners.
    that's not a primary reason I left.. just of a side note.
    I like the way you put that though.. hospital for sinners... very cool.

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's not a primary reason I left.. just of a side note.
    I like the way you put that though.. hospital for sinners... very cool.
    I can't claim credit for it. It's a cliché that has been around for a long time. I don't think it is even a Mormon-specific cliché, but one about religion (or at least Christianity) in general.
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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    ....I would hope someone would stand up stand say "Stop trying to devalue her beliefs".

    Really? You gonna stand and say that concerning the Catholic Church, and what the administration is doing via contraception to their devaluing the Church's beliefs? My guess is no, so Yeah, your words are hollow here.


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