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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    That's weird, but not something to get angry about.
    They are trying to co-op this figure and her Jewishness for their own purposes. That is an element of what occurred in with the NAZIs for an entire people.

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    That's weird, but not something to get angry about.
    I dunno, it bothers me when someone says "I'll pray for you" in a condesceding tone, like I can't take care of my own beliefs, or that theirs are somehow superior to mine. Or when they try to "save me" because I don't subscribe to what they believe. This is sort of the same thing.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    They are trying to co-op this figure and her Jewishness for their own purposes. That is an element of what occurred in with the NAZIs for an entire people.

    hmm.. makes me wonder why they also performed a proxy baptism on Hitler and Himmler....are they trying to co-opt their Naziness for their own purposes?

    I've been personally involved in 2 proxy baptisms( nearly 20 years ago, when i was a member of the Priesthood in good standing)... it's really not a nefarious deal at all... it's a very lovely service... its basically an attempt to provide the deceased with the covenants required to enter into the Kingdom of God... if the covenants are not needed or not wanted, they can be declined by the spirit of the deceased.

    the main reason Jews are against this is because it's against Jewish law to contact the dead...

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I dunno, it bothers me when someone says "I'll pray for you" in a condesceding tone, like I can't take care of my own beliefs, or that theirs are somehow superior to mine. Or when they try to "save me" because I don't subscribe to what they believe. This is sort of the same thing.
    and if you find yourself in the afterlife without the proper covenants to get inside the pearly gates.. wouldn't you appreciate someone offering them to you?

    or maybe you find yourself already prepared and worthy for entry... and can say " no thanks, i'm good..."

    where's the harm?

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    hmm.. makes me wonder why they also performed a proxy baptism on Hitler and Himmler....are they trying to co-opt their Naziness for their own purposes?

    I've been personally involved in 2 proxy baptisms( nearly 20 years ago, when i was a member of the Priesthood in good standing)... it's really not a nefarious deal at all... it's a very lovely service... its basically an attempt to provide the deceased with the covenants required to enter into the Kingdom of God... if the covenants are not needed or not wanted, they can be declined by the spirit of the deceased.

    the main reason Jews are against this is because it's against Jewish law to contact the dead...
    What if you don't want anybody acting on behalf of you to enter the kingdom of god?

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    The reason seems pretty clear. Hello ... would you really want to spend eternity hanging out with a bunch of Mormons? Better import a bunch of smart, funny people to break up the monogamy ... err ... monotony.

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    What if you don't want anybody acting on behalf of you to enter the kingdom of god?
    then you decline the offer.

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The reason seems pretty clear. Hello ... would you really want to spend eternity hanging out with a bunch of Mormons? Better import a bunch of smart, funny people to break up the monogamy ... err ... monotony.
    Mormons are generally very nice folks...even to bigots who don't like them.

    another reason i'm not a Mormon any more... my capacity to be nice is limited.

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Mormons are generally very nice folks...even to bigots who don't like them.

    another reason i'm not a Mormon any more... my capacity to be nice is limited.
    Absolutely! But how many times can you watch the same Leave it to Beaver episode before it gets old?

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    Re: Claim surfaces of Anne Frank baptism by Mormons

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    then you decline the offer.
    Can't decline if I'm dead.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
    --Randolph J. Dworkin

    ďReading makes a full man, meditation a profound man, discourse a clear man.Ē
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