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ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

AdamT said:
It was Southern Democrats, whose present-day equivalents are Republicans, who voted for him. And the civil rights movement, and subsequent legislation, is the reason that demographic left the Democratic Party to join the Republicans.

History is not on your side here.
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It would appear the truth is not on your side (not that Wiki is an absolute source but…):

Southern Democrats are members of the U.S. Democratic Party who reside in the American South. In the 19th century, they were the definitive pro-slavery wing of the party, opposed to both the anti-slavery Republicans (GOP) and the more liberal Northern Democrats...

After the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, white voters who became tolerant of diversity began voting against Democratic incumbents for GOP candidates. The Republicans carried many Southern states for the first time since before the Great Depression. Rising educational levels and rising prosperity in the South, combined with shifts to the left by the national Democratic Party on a variety of socio-economic issues, led to widespread abandonment of the Democratic Party by white voters and Republican dominance in many Southern states by the 1990s and 2000s.

Southern Democrats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Grant said:
If "The right is swaddled in racism" as you claim, why is it necessary to go back 30 years to quote someone who is no longer alive to defend the accuracy or veracity of the quote?

"Swaddled" would suggest commonplace, which means you should be able to find dozens of contemporaries around who are obvious racists.
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Thank you for confirming that, in this context, I was correct.

But I'm sorry, I didn't use the phrase "The right is swaddled in racism". If you expect others to use your quotes then you should certainly do the same and use theirs - if for nothing else than to keep things straight for yourself.


On the other hand, you've wasted a whole post on the wrong guy, so I guess I'm good with that.
 
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MoSurveyor said:
Thank you for confirming that, in this context, I was correct.

But I'm sorry, I didn't use the phrase "The right is swaddled in racism". If you expect others to use your quotes then you should certainly do the same and use theirs - if for nothing else than to keep things straight for yourself.


On the other hand, you've wasted a whole post on the wrong guy, so I guess I'm good with that.
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My sincere apologies, MoSurveyor. Because you took over the debate from Karl I wrongly assumed it was him.
 
MoSurveyor said:
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The racists who supported the Democratic party all those years and supported the laws which reviled and enslaved the Black people, stayed with the party. Robert Byrd was an example of this.


After World War II, during the civil rights movement, Democrats in the South initially still voted loyally with their party. After the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, white voters who became tolerant of diversity began voting against Democratic incumbents for GOP candidates. The Republicans carried many Southern states for the first time since before the Great Depression. Rising educational levels and rising prosperity in the South, combined with shifts to the left by the national Democratic Party on a variety of socio-economic issues, led to widespread abandonment of the Democratic Party by white voters and Republican dominance in many Southern states by the 1990s and 2000s.
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Grant said:
Exactly. It was Democrats who enacted racism, Jim Crow laws, etc., not Republicans. [...]
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Actually it was conservatives. Then, and now. Q.E.D.
 
Grant said:
The racists who supported the Democratic party all those years and supported the laws which reviled and enslaved the Black people, stayed with the party. Robert Byrd was an example of this.
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Byrd seemed to have changed his stance on racism and gone with the "new" ideals. He's also from a Border State, as am I. Not exactly what I would call "Southern". (None of the Border States succeeded.) I certainly don't consider myself "Southern" of any stripe.
 
Grant said:
After World War II, during the civil rights movement, Democrats in the South initially still voted loyally with their party. After the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, white voters who became tolerant of diversity began voting against Democratic incumbents for GOP candidates. The Republicans carried many Southern states for the first time since before the Great Depression. Rising educational levels and rising prosperity in the South, combined with shifts to the left by the national Democratic Party on a variety of socio-economic issues, led to widespread abandonment of the Democratic Party by white voters and Republican dominance in many Southern states by the 1990s and 2000s.
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You forgot this from your source:

As the New Deal began to move Democrats as a whole to the left (at least economically), Southern Democrats largely stayed as conservative as they had always been, with some even breaking off to form farther right-wing splinters like the Dixiecrats. After the Civil Rights Movement successfully challenged the Jim Crow laws and other forms of institutionalized racism, and after the Democrats as a whole came to symbolize the mainstream left of the United States, the form, if not the content, of Southern Democratic politics began to change. At that point, most Southern Democrats defected to the Republican Party, and helped accelerate the latter's transformation into a more conservative organization.

Southern Democrats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Grant said:
The racists who supported the Democratic party all those years and supported the laws which reviled and enslaved the Black people, stayed with the party. Robert Byrd was an example of this.
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And you you have to know that's a lie. :lol:
 
AdamT said:
And you you have to know that's a lie. :lol:
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This is your truth again. Do you believe there are NO racists in the Democratic party? Really? Just for reference what party was Lincoln?
 
Dickieboy said:
This is your truth again. Do you believe there are NO racists in the Democratic party? Really? Just for reference what party was Lincoln?
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Why are you trying to distract from the issue with an obvious straw man argument? The fact is that the South turned from blue to red primarily because they objected to the Democrats' pro-civil rights agenda. The present alignment of the Democratic and Republican parties bears very little relation to their respective alignments in the 19th century.
 
Dickieboy said:
This is your truth again. Do you believe there are NO racists in the Democratic party? Really? Just for reference what party was Lincoln?
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Ancient history again? Can't seem to find enough modern examples?? I wonder why that is???
 
MoSurveyor said:
Ancient history again? Can't seem to find enough modern examples?? I wonder why that is???
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Modern? Sure how about Bill Clinton. Isn't he a 'southern Democrat'? I thought they didn't exist...

How about George Wallace? Wasn't he a 'southern Democrat'?

Further, who's the only black American currently on the Supreme Court? Clarence Thomas. The first black Secretary of State? Colin Powell. The first black woman ever to be a Secretary of State? Condi Rice. And Republicans are racist as infered by the OP.
 
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Dickieboy said:
This is your truth again. Do you believe there are NO racists in the Democratic party? Really? Just for reference what party was Lincoln?
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Whig Party, for most of his life. He considered himself a Whig. Whigs were liberals, although they did form the Republican Party not long before Lincoln was elected president. The Whig Party was considered liberal (while the Democratic party at the time would be considered conservative).

From the early 1830s, Lincoln was a steadfast Whig and professed to friends in 1861 to be, "an old line Whig, a disciple of Henry Clay".[55] The party, including Lincoln, favored economic modernization in banking, protective tariffs to fund internal improvements including railroads, and espoused urbanization as well.[56]

Abraham Lincoln - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The moral of this story, boys and girls, is to not repeat talking points that one has not researched, despite how good they may sound ;)
 
Dickieboy said:
Modern? Sure how about Bill Clinton. Isn't he a 'southern Democrat'? I thought they didn't exist...
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I thought he was the first black president. Anyway, Southern Democrats do indeed exist -- they are called conservatives.
 
Karl said:
I thought he was the first black president. Anyway, Southern Democrats do indeed exist -- they are called conservatives.
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There you go...true to form...ad hom' as usual. Thanks for your consistency.
 
Karl said:
The moral of this story, boys and girls, is to not repeat talking points that one has not researched, despite how good they may sound ;)
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Of course another moral to this story is to not put a whole lot of worth in Karl's post. He has a tendency to cherry pick data to support his point regardless how minimally then once confronted pivots to ad hominem…(see I can practice the ad hominem too).

Maybe a more reputable source for support:

In 1858 Lincoln ran against Stephen A. Douglas for Senator. He lost the election, but in debating with Douglas he gained a national reputation that won him the Republican nomination for President in 1860.

As President, he built the Republican Party into a strong national organization. Further, he rallied most of the northern Democrats to the Union cause. On January 1, 1863, he issued the Emancipation Proclamation that declared forever free those slaves within the Confederacy

Abraham Lincoln | The White House
 
Dickieboy said:
Further, who's the only black American currently on the Supreme Court? Clarence Thomas. The first black Secretary of State? Colin Powell. The first black woman ever to be a Secretary of State? Condi Rice. And Republicans are racist as infered by the OP.
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Those are 3 impressive APPOINTEES. Now how about ELECTEES?


Note...I am not now nor have I ever said Republicans or conservatives are racists. They just don't seem to attract many people of color...:lol:
 
Dickieboy said:
Modern? Sure how about Bill Clinton. Isn't he a 'southern Democrat'? I thought they didn't exist...

How about George Wallace? Wasn't he a 'southern Democrat'?

Further, who's the only black American currently on the Supreme Court? Clarence Thomas. The first black Secretary of State? Colin Powell. The first black woman ever to be a Secretary of State? Condi Rice. And Republicans are racist as infered by the OP.
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Southern Democrat does not mean a Democrat from the South.

Clinton was no Southern Democrat.
 
Dickieboy said:
Modern? Sure how about Bill Clinton. Isn't he a 'southern Democrat'? I thought they didn't exist...

How about George Wallace? Wasn't he a 'southern Democrat'?

Further, who's the only black American currently on the Supreme Court? Clarence Thomas. The first black Secretary of State? Colin Powell. The first black woman ever to be a Secretary of State? Condi Rice. And Republicans are racist as infered by the OP.
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Perhaps you're confusing "Southern Democrat" with "southern Democrat"? It's OK, many people on here don't know the difference between "Communism" and "communism", either. Common mistakes. I admit I sometimes have trouble with the proper use of capital letters, too.


You and I both know there would have been bloody hell to pay if a black judge wasn't replaced by a black judge. The black judge that died was appointed by LBJ.

Thurgood Marshall had 11 nays on his appointment, all but one from Southern Democrats. Most of those were replaced by Republicans within two voting cycles. A couple of conservatives lasted into the 80's. One, Hollings of SC, lasted until 2005. Of course, we must also consider the Confederate Flag went up over the SC Statehouse in 1962 when he was Governor and didn't come down until, what?, July 2000? LOL!


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No one said all Republicans are racist and I've never considered Bush Sr as one. I wouldn't have voted for him in '88 if I had thought that.
 
BWG said:
Those are 3 impressive APPOINTEES. Now how about ELECTEES?
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Sure:

Edward Brooke, former U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, first African American elected by popular vote to the U.S. Senate
Blanche Bruce, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve a full term in the U.S. Senate
Jennifer Carroll, Lieutenant Governor of Florida
Henry P. Cheatham, former U.S. Representative from North Carolina
Oscar Stanton de Priest, former U.S. Representative from Illinois
Robert Brown Elliott, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
Melvin H. Evans, former U.S. Representative from, and former Governor of, the U.S. Virgin Islands
Gary Franks, former U.S. Representative from Connecticut
Jeremiah Haralson, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
John Adams Hyman, former U.S. Representative from North Carolina
John Mercer Langston, former U.S. Representative from Virginia
Jefferson Franklin Long, former U.S. Representative from Georgia
John Roy Lynch, former U.S. Representative from Mississippi
Thomas Ezekiel Miller, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
George Washington Murray, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
Charles Edmund Nash, former U.S Representative from Louisiana
Sherman Parker, Missouri state representative, ran for U.S. House of Representatives
P. B. S. Pinchback, twenty-fourth governor of Louisiana; first African-American governor of a U.S. state
Joseph H. Rainey, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina, first African American to serve in the U.S. House of Representatives
James T. Rapier, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
Hiram Rhodes Revels, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve in the U.S. Senate
Condoleezza Rice, 66th United States Secretary of State
Jack E. Robinson III, former U.S. Senate, Secretary of State, and U.S. House nominee from Massachusetts
Vernon Robinson, former candidate for U.S. House of Representatives from North Carolina
Joe Rogers, former Lieutenant Governor of Colorado, youngest Lieutenant Governor in Colorado history
Paul H. Scott, Michigan State Representative
Tim Scott. Representative, South Carolina's 1st Congressional District
Noel C. Taylor, mayor of Roanoke, Virginia from 1975 to 1992[6]
James L. Usry, former mayor of Atlantic City, New Jersey
Josiah Walls, former U.S. Representative from Florida, and one of the first African-Americans to serve in the U.S. House
Maurice Washington, Nevada State Senator
J. C. Watts, former U.S. Representative from Oklahoma
Allen West, Representative, U.S. House of Representatives (FL-22)

And some other interesting Black Republicans:

Arthur Fletcher, official in the administrations of Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and George H.W. Bush; considered the "father of affirmative action"
Frederick Douglass, abolitionist, editor, orator, author, and statesman
Alan Keyes, former member of the Republican party and nominee for the U.S. Senate
Jackie Robinson, baseball player
Sojourner Truth, abolitionist speaker and suffrage advocate
Harriet Tubman, abolitionist speaker and suffrage advocate
Booker T. Washington, educator and activist
Ida B. Wells, civil rights advocate, co-founder of the NAACP
 
Dickieboy said:
Sure:

Edward Brooke, former U.S. Senator from Massachusetts, first African American elected by popular vote to the U.S. Senate
Blanche Bruce, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve a full term in the U.S. Senate
Jennifer Carroll, Lieutenant Governor of Florida
Henry P. Cheatham, former U.S. Representative from North Carolina
Oscar Stanton de Priest, former U.S. Representative from Illinois
Robert Brown Elliott, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
Melvin H. Evans, former U.S. Representative from, and former Governor of, the U.S. Virgin Islands
Gary Franks, former U.S. Representative from Connecticut
Jeremiah Haralson, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
John Adams Hyman, former U.S. Representative from North Carolina
John Mercer Langston, former U.S. Representative from Virginia
Jefferson Franklin Long, former U.S. Representative from Georgia
John Roy Lynch, former U.S. Representative from Mississippi
Thomas Ezekiel Miller, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
George Washington Murray, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina
Charles Edmund Nash, former U.S Representative from Louisiana
Sherman Parker, Missouri state representative, ran for U.S. House of Representatives
P. B. S. Pinchback, twenty-fourth governor of Louisiana; first African-American governor of a U.S. state
Joseph H. Rainey, former U.S. Representative from South Carolina, first African American to serve in the U.S. House of Representatives
James T. Rapier, former U.S. Representative from Alabama
Hiram Rhodes Revels, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi, first African American to serve in the U.S. Senate
Condoleezza Rice, 66th United States Secretary of State
Jack E. Robinson III, former U.S. Senate, Secretary of State, and U.S. House nominee from Massachusetts
Vernon Robinson, former candidate for U.S. House of Representatives from North Carolina
Joe Rogers, former Lieutenant Governor of Colorado, youngest Lieutenant Governor in Colorado history
Paul H. Scott, Michigan State Representative
Tim Scott. Representative, South Carolina's 1st Congressional District
Noel C. Taylor, mayor of Roanoke, Virginia from 1975 to 1992[6]
James L. Usry, former mayor of Atlantic City, New Jersey
Josiah Walls, former U.S. Representative from Florida, and one of the first African-Americans to serve in the U.S. House
Maurice Washington, Nevada State Senator
J. C. Watts, former U.S. Representative from Oklahoma
Allen West, Representative, U.S. House of Representatives (FL-22)

And some other interesting Black Republicans:

Arthur Fletcher, official in the administrations of Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and George H.W. Bush; considered the "father of affirmative action"
Frederick Douglass, abolitionist, editor, orator, author, and statesman
Alan Keyes, former member of the Republican party and nominee for the U.S. Senate
Jackie Robinson, baseball player
Sojourner Truth, abolitionist speaker and suffrage advocate
Harriet Tubman, abolitionist speaker and suffrage advocate
Booker T. Washington, educator and activist
Ida B. Wells, civil rights advocate, co-founder of the NAACP
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That's an impressive list of 30 elected black Republicans (mayors, state reps., Gov./Lt. Gov) in 236 years of U.S. history.

However, I never said there were NONE, just not many, so thanks for proving my point.
 
I was watching a discussion of this topic on Fox a few minutes ago. The idea of requiring a thumbprint came up.

Now, what's wrong with that idea? Everybody has a thumb, after all... well, there may be a small minority of amputees, but surely provisions could be made for them.

and no one has to go to the DMV office to get a thumb. God gave us all two of them, along with some inalienable rights.
 
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