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ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

Dittohead not! said:
The subject of the post you were responding to was civil rights legislation.
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The thread is titled "ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law" and there have been several conversations surrounding this subject, civil rights legislation among them. However I was obviously referring to other legislation while you were hoping for a "gotcha".
 
Grant said:
The thread is titled "ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law" and there have been several conversations surrounding this subject, civil rights legislation among them. However I was obviously referring to other legislation while you were hoping for a "gotcha".
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OK, whatever.

But two gotchas, three suppostas, and a wuzgonna along with five bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks.

We used to say that two wuzgonnas and a dime would get you a cup of coffee, but that's out of date now.
 
rocket88 said:
I thought you guys hated Federal programs. Obama cuts one and it's "Goddamn Obama!"

Make up your mind.
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Since DC is governed by the Federal government I can't really say that a schools system should be off limits in this case, however, this was a program that was working for the children for DC, and because Obama just couldn't have a voucher system that worked right under his nose, he trashed it, after he lied to the residents telling them he wouldn't touch it....But now we know his lying is a pattern.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
[...] however, this was a program that was working for the children for DC, and because Obama just couldn't have a voucher system that worked right under his nose, he trashed it, [...]
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Do you have any links to some kind of evidence that the DC system was doing fantastic? What I read of Rhee during a little research wasn't a very pretty picture so I'm sure you weren't referring to that part of the subject. Where are the reliable statistics? I'm for any kind of education reform if it is proved to work but I've seen no evidence of that to date.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Do you have any links to some kind of evidence that the DC system was doing fantastic? What I read of Rhee during a little research wasn't a very pretty picture so I'm sure you weren't referring to that part of the subject. Where are the reliable statistics? I'm for any kind of education reform if it is proved to work but I've seen no evidence of that to date.
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The Department of Education’s 2013 budget will not provide funding for the D.C. voucher program despite a promise Obama made last April in a budget agreement he signed that helped avert a government shutdown, says the American Federation for Children (AFC).

The D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program (OSP) currently provides scholarships to more than 1,600 low-income children to attend the private schools of their parents’ choice.

Kevin P. Chavous, a senior advisor to AFC and a former D.C. Councilman, said:

“The president says he’s for education reform, but his actions continually aim to send low-income and minority students back to schools that are failing them academically, are unsafe, or are otherwise not meeting their needs.

“This latest hypocrisy is just the most recent instance in which the president has stood in the way of students who are improving test scores and graduating in higher numbers.”

Obama barred new students from applying to the OSP after 2009.

Chavous said:

“By any reasonable measure, the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program has been an overwhelming success.

“President Obama wouldn’t be where he is today without a private school scholarship. He needs to stop playing politics and do what’s right for kids.”

Since the program’s inception in 2004, more than 10,000 families have applied to participate in the OSP.

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The stats on the program I am sure on online somewhere, but every article I pull up on it uses the term, "highly successful" when talking about the program.

j-mac
 
Grant said:
But you don't know, do you? That's so left.
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I read the Freeper article, so I do know -- it was correlation/causation fallacy. That's so right.

Freeper: Unwed births to black mothers has gone up (as a percentage of all births) since LBJ's mid-1960's Great Society implementation.

Fact: Unwed births to all mothers -- globally -- has gone up (as a percentage of all births) since the mid-1960's.

Observation: Your prior post, as well as the Freeper article you produced to support it, both reek of denigration based upon race (while studiouosly ignoring context).
 
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Meathead said:
haymarket said:
The tenure of Michelle Rhee in DC is under investigation

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/e...ee-on-panel-amid-dc-schools-inquiry.html?_r=1

Not exactly what I would term 'highly successful' but then perhaps my standards of success are different than others here.
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Get back to us on this when a non-partisan body, unlike the Department of Education investigates. Until then it's politics as usual.
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The magnitude of that non-sequitur deserves a Richter scale measurement :shock:
 
Karl said:
The magnitude of that non-sequitur deserves a Richter scale measurement :shock:
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Nah, the measure of your dismissal in favor of a partisan hit piece though? That is another question.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Great, we can't efficiently register, and get ID to people to vote, but we can run their health care....Wonderful.


j-mac
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If Congress care is socialized medicine then you are an idiot. Its corporatracy at its finest. Also, froe someone so against the public option you sure do lie Paul rayn's plans for medicare

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xpiher said:
If Congress care is socialized medicine then you are an idiot. Its corporatracy at its finest. Also, froe someone so against the public option you sure do lie Paul rayn's plans for medicare

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I'll give a little latitude because you are on your phone chiming in, but when you get to where you can show me this supposed drooling support for Ryan's plan for Medicare, I'll address it....thx.

j-mac
 
Grant said:
There is no evidence of any wrongdoing on this woman's part whatsoever. It appears to be just another White House witch hunt.
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Another ripple in the space-time continuum... the 'White House' is investigating possible cheating that was intended to make the public school system (which the right hates with a passion) look better than it really is, and this is a "witch hunt" (indicating that the right thinks the public school system is just fine :shock: ).

What's next? Mitt Romney selecting Hillary Clinton as his running mate? Bill Maher defending Rush Limbaugh?
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Oh... wait a sec... :doh
 
Karl said:
Another ripple in the space-time continuum... the 'White House' is investigating possible cheating that was intended to make the public school system (which the right hates with a passion) look better than it really is, and this is a "witch hunt" (indicating that the right thinks the public school system is just fine :shock: ).

What's next? Mitt Romney selecting Hillary Clinton as his running mate? Bill Maher defending Rush Limbaugh?
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Oh... wait a sec... :doh
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Come on, even a progressive can't be that thick!
 
j-mac said:
The stats on the program I am sure on online somewhere, but every article I pull up on it uses the term, "highly successful" when talking about the program.
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I did take a little time looking for stats and couldn't find much, either, which is why I asked. Without facts nothing is proved - and even then you have to be careful.

My district works pretty good but it's relatively small (4 HS's) and suburban. The "main" school district (city center) has been in deep doo-doo for years and I'd like to see it get better. But, like I said, I've never seen an affordable alternate to public schools that proved to work any better. Inner-city districts always have issues.
 
So let me get this straight there are those arguing that ……basically … you shouldn’t have to make any effort, any attempt, what-so-ever to prove you are eligible to vote in this country??


So then according to you, any party should be able to go to china, fly in a couple of million “voters” into swing states allow them to vote, pay them, fly them back home and that would be just fine right ?


It’s an American election, voting should be done by only American citizens, if you can’t prove that you are an American eligible to vote, than shame on you, and tough luck.


This isn’t or shouldn’t be a democrat or republican thing, this should be an American thing, either you are for “only” Americans voting and electing our government officials or you are not. If you feel you don’t have to show “any” proof that you are an American citizen, and eligible to vote, then quite simply, you are against only Americans voting in any election.
 
MoSurveyor said:
I did take a little time looking for stats and couldn't find much, either, which is why I asked. Without facts nothing is proved - and even then you have to be careful.

My district works pretty good but it's relatively small (4 HS's) and suburban. The "main" school district (city center) has been in deep doo-doo for years and I'd like to see it get better. But, like I said, I've never seen an affordable alternate to public schools that proved to work any better. Inner-city districts always have issues.
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Well, it depends on what you want to see as 'proof'...If you are looking for something endorsed by teachers unions concerning voucher programs, or charters, good luck.

j-mac
 
Meathead said:
Get back to us on this when a non-partisan body, unlike the Department of Education investigates. Until then it's politics as usual.
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You seem to not like it when the heroes of the right wing are shown to be less than the gods many make them out to be. You also ignore the legal mandate of the Department of Education and the obvious fact that it is right and proper they investigate the spending of taxpayer money.

Imagine what the warriors of the right would whine about if they did not fulfill this mandate?
 
Karl said:
I read the Freeper article, so I do know -- it was correlation/causation fallacy. That's so right.

Freeper: Unwed births to black mothers has gone up since LBJ's mid-1960's Great Society implementation.

Fact: Unwed births to all mothers -- globally -- has gone up since the mid-1960's.

Observation: Your prior post, as well as the Freeper article you produced to support it, both reek of denigration based upon race (
while studiouosly ignoring context).
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Ahh, yes! When there is nowhere else for a leftist to go they retreat to charges of racism.

So is it your contention then that births to unwed mothers in the United States have gone up equally between Black women and women of other races? That the social programs the leftists initiated were a good thing for Black families?

Despite $16 trillion in debt, and another record $229 billion increase in the debt last month alone, it's quite likely the leftists will continue to support an defend these social programs despite the damage they have caused to the United States and its people.

The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Summer 2005

90.04.06: The African-American Family inCrisis
 
Grant said:
Ahh, yes! When there is nowhere else for a leftist to go they retreat to charges of racism.

So is it your contention then that births to unwed mothers in the United States have gone up equally between Black women and women of other races? That the social programs the leftists initiated were a good thing for Black families?

Despite $16 trillion in debt, and another record $229 billion increase in the debt last month alone, it's quite likely the leftists will continue to support an defend these social programs despite the damage they have caused to the United States and its people.

The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies by Kay S. Hymowitz, City Journal Summer 2005

90.04.06: The African-American Family inCrisis
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Oh Snap!




j-mac
 
The Barbarian said:
So let me get this straight there are those arguing that ……basically … you shouldn’t have to make any effort, any attempt, what-so-ever to prove you are eligible to vote in this country?? [...]
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Mmm, no -- you don't have it straight. The identity requirements of the past -- before the rash of ALEC-inspired Republican legislation -- were sufficient, given that there has been no significant proof to the contrary provided.

Those requirements consisted of things like a drivers license, or a utility bill, or a school ID, a property tax bill, or basically any type of common evidence that you did indeed live in the district where you were trying to register and/or vote. All that worked just fine until Republicans began to scheme how they could further discourage potential Democratic voters from participating in elections (which has been their modus operandi for over a generation).
 
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