I think that's the whole point, though, isn't it? Even all of us with our well documented lives can't just hop in the car on any random day and know we have "proper documentation". Given that why would we expect everybody to be able to do so at any time? Some people aren't going to be well documented, that's just the way life is in America.
Who's going to fine an Amish farmer for not having a photo ID?
Well, if you're going to get particular - did I say "driving the car"? Maybe it's my wife or daughter that's driving and I'm just along for the ride.
Avoid, avoid, avoid. Why is it you can't just face the issue?
It's sad and it's disgusting. Microchips at birth anyone??? - $500 cha-ching!
I'm new to the whole formal debate thing but wouldn't that be trying to prove a negative?
I've already stated my position on voter ID's, which is the same as the Supreme Court's review of the Indiana case. If a State wants to require a voter ID card to vote then it should issue said card for free. Any cost for secondary documentation to obtain said card is irrelevant. That's the law as it stands now, even if it is just case law. If the ACLU wants to watchdog States as they make new voter ID laws to ensure compliance with that SC review/opinion then I applaud them. As far as I'm concerned you can never have too many people watch-dogging the government. Everything beyond that position is already in the realm of speculation, opinion, and/or belief and has nothing to do with "reality".
Currently, as far as I know, all states do. Perhaps only most. Of course I'm talking about *current* scenarios and I did not say a word about getting to the polls. Why *add* that? Does "getting to the polls" currently factor into ID law? Really? Please, what states have laws about getting people to the election polls if they want an ID? I mean if you want to add that to mix, the whole election system disenfranchises voters. How silly and I find the suggestion that if we amend election laws to require photo ID, this "endangered" demographic that can secure legal certified ID's now won't be able to do so then ridiculous. Frankly most of this thread is what is generally known as a galaxy sized fully stuffed STRAWMAN. Supposedly anyone supporting requiring photo ID's is not in favor of providing the same means to secure a ID as already required by law, and is so heartless that they would oppose any assistance or common sense measures to assist such "hardship" cases. So far, in the three recent threads on this topic at this forum I can't find one poster advocating such a position. A lot of Ray Bolger at work here.
Needs the votes of dead people who can't show up to the DMV but still can secure an ID and vote? My bad, from what I can see at DP, supposedly owing to the "prosecution rate" for voter fraud, there is no voter fraud and dead people have only voted in our election in the way way way back days. As long as one dead old infirm or ill zombie can't vote, there should be no change to our current system!
In all 50 states of this country, old infirm and ill people that are legal citizens can secure legal ID. Prove otherwise. All 50 states, as far as I am aware, though certainly most, require all citizens to have a state issued ID. You don't have to have a DL but you do have to have an ID. Prove otherwise. Nobody, I repeat again, as I did in the last post, nobody (but you) has said a word about getting anyone to the polls. Prove otherwise.