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ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

sawyerloggingon said:
Many local elections for everything from mayor to governor are within a few hundred votes , sometimes even less.
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And those elections are scrutinized thoroughly by both parties involved. Our system already provides a procedure to discover voter fraud. No need for any unnecessary hurdles. Voting should be made easier.
 
taxigirl said:
It is not necessarily just racist. There are plenty of older folks who do not have birth certificates and cannot afford the expense of getting one and certificates are usually a requirement to get other ID. Many people who are poor, cannot get ID, etc...
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This is BS. I am about as poor as you can get outside of living on the streets and I still have a DL. And I don't know of a single old person that cannot get transportation to get an ID or to vote unless they are infirm, and even then there are options available for them.
 
rocket88 said:
Sure, but I think that if anybody can pull off large scale vote fraud, it's the Democratic and Republican parties.
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I don't think anyone can pull it off. Remember, we're talking about in-person voter fraud. Large numbers of individuals. The phrase "Loose Lips, Sinks Ships" come to mind.
rocket88 said:
So the logistics of pulling off significant fraud are already pretty difficult.
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In-person, almost impossible.
rocket88 said:
Do you trust either party to tell you "We need this this law?"
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No one has demonstrated a necessity for this legislation.

Voting should be made easier, not placing unnecessary hurdles.
 
Psychoclown said:
The state has a legitimate issue in curbing voter fraud. Voter fraud undermines our entire system.
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Voter fraud is a non-issue in this country. It's as common as hens teeth. So why put millions of people to unnecessary trouble?
 
apdst said:
One that lives by a double standard is a hypocrite.
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Are we taking turns reading out of the dictionary or do you have a point?

You see apdst, I do not have a position on your area of inquiry. I thought I made that clear. I do not have a position on many things. I probably do not have a position on more things than I do actually care about enough to formulate a position. I suspect most smart people are the same.

Unless one is a uninformed fool. Then one has a position on everything. That is one way to tell. The other is the drool. ;)
 
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AdamT said:
Voter fraud is a non-issue in this country. It's as common as hens teeth. So why put millions of people to unnecessary trouble?
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As there are standards as to who is and is not eligible to vote, there should be standards applied to ENSURE that only eligible people vote. I don't think proving who you are is too much to ask. People have YEARS between presidential elections to make sure they have the proper ID. In many states, not having state issued ID is illegal- you can't even walk down the street in some states without an ID. Why should you be able to vote?
 
Florida has an ID law. Can someone that is saying that it is denying vast majority of poor and elderly to vote, please provide some statistics that support that case. Florida is loaded with elderly. If that case were true I'm sure that there would be somebody they would have a study that shows it..... please provide a link
 
BWG said:
No one has demonstrated a necessity for this legislation.

Voting should be made easier, not placing unnecessary hurdles.
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Then we agree. We don't need this legislation.
 
This should be read. It demonstrates how the right wing attack upon the right to vote is not limited to just one tactic. A few years ago, this sort of effort against voting rights would have been considered as whacko-nutjob territory. Now its a part of a major political party.

Voting Rights Act under siege - POLITICO.com Print View
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Then why do we need another ID?
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Maybe we don't. My position is that the ACLU's position is bogus. I see no harm in making the registration a picture I.D. though. D.L used to be just a paper card.
 
AdamT said:
There's nothing generic about it. There have been many studies showing that these laws prevent lots of people from voting and there is no evidence that they serve an important purpose. There's a reason that they are always pushed by Republicans, and it has nothing to do with voter fraud.
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Sorry, "lots of studies" as the way of evidence is totally dismissable.
 
AdamT said:
Voter fraud is a non-issue in this country. It's as common as hens teeth. So why put millions of people to unnecessary trouble?
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Trouble? All they have to do is smile.
 
haymarket said:
This should be read. It demonstrates how the right wing attack upon the right to vote is not limited to just one tactic. A few years ago, this sort of effort against voting rights would have been considered as whacko-nutjob territory. Now its a part of a major political party.

Voting Rights Act under siege - POLITICO.com Print View
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“There certainly has been a major change,” said Rick Hasen, a professor of election law at the University of California at Irvine. “Now, you have a whole bunch of credible mainstream state attorneys general and governors taking this view. … That would have been unheard of even five years ago. You would have been accused of being a racist.

Professors of election laws steal little babies from mothers at parks. This would have been unheard of 5 years ago. Not that I have to provide anything of proof of that for it to be accepted by many.
 
Chiefgator said:
So, if you fail to register prior to the deadline, and you are turned away from the polling booth, your Constitutional rights have been violated.... Registration is an acceptable minimum standard and yet showing a picture ID is unacceptable?
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Here in Wisconsin we can same day register at the polls.
 
Goshin said:
Yeah, look....


It is hard to get by in the modern world without picture ID. Honestly, how many people do you know that don't have some kind of ID?

Voter fraud is a serious matter. It doesn't take a lot of study to see that there may be hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes in every election cycle.

Asking for some ID is common sense and not unreasonable and DOES NOT TARGET ANY RACE OR CREED!

If photo ID is racist then by gosh why do I have to show one all the gosh-darn time!
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Why should anyone need to show a picture of them self when they are standing right there?
 
1Perry said:
“There certainly has been a major change,” said Rick Hasen, a professor of election law at the University of California at Irvine. “Now, you have a whole bunch of credible mainstream state attorneys general and governors taking this view. … That would have been unheard of even five years ago. You would have been accused of being a racist.

Professors of election laws steal little babies from mothers at parks. This would have been unheard of 5 years ago. Not that I have to provide anything of proof of that for it to be accepted by many.
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What is your point?
 
taxigirl said:
ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law - chicagotribune.com

We have gone through so many years in the United States without Voter ID laws, and we now suddenly need them? Voter fraud is not something that is not common in the United States and this seems like an attempt to disenfranchise certain sets of voters. :usflag2:
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Exactly - it's designed to disenfranchise illegals from voting, in other words those who don't have any right to be voting here (or living here) to begin with. Good.

Looks more like the opponents of this are just trying to disenfranchise the Republican Party, knowing that illegals tend to vote Democrat.

No surprise that the traitorous ACLU opposes it, they hate everything that's moral and love everything that's evil - hell the only time they ever supported a "Christian's" rights is the nutjob anti-Military rev. Fred Phelps, and probably just because he shares their hatred for our troops.
 
AdamT said:
There's nothing generic about it. There have been many studies showing that these laws prevent lots of people from voting and there is no evidence that they serve an important purpose. There's a reason that they are always pushed by Republicans, and it has nothing to do with voter fraud.
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For this to make any sense, one has to presume that people who do not have valid ID are more likely to vote Democratic.

What else could we reasonably assume about those who don't have valid ID?
 
Kal'Stang said:
taxigirl said:
We have gone through so many years in the United States without Voter ID laws, and we now suddenly need them? Voter fraud is not something that is not common in the United States and this seems like an attempt to disenfranchise certain sets of voters. :usflag2:
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Yeah...Illegals.
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1996. California 46th District congressional election.

Loretta Sanchez, a Democrat ran a campaign specifically courting illegal aliens. She narrowly defeated the Republican incumbent, Bob Dornan. The number of votes that were subsequently proven to have been illegally cast amounted to about 76% of the margin by which she defeated Dornan. It's impossible to know how many more illegal votes were unproven, but there's a very, very high probability that the final outcome of this election was different than it would have been if illegals had not voted.

Voter fraud does happen, and we have here at least one example in which it appears to have altered the outcome of an important election.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
For this to make any sense, one has to presume that people who do not have valid ID are more likely to vote Democratic.
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Certainly, the division along party lines expresses that clearly. Theoretically, even Democrats disapprove of voter fraud so they are forced to their default positions on just about everything. In other words denial, racism and disenfranchisement and the Republican war on everything and everyone except rich whites.
 
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