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ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

apdst said:
Do you support the law that says a person has to have a photo ID to buy a gun?
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You need to show an ID to vote at your polling place, you have to be registered. ANOTHER ID isnt necessary. How about we make gunowners get a federal ID to buy a gun.
 
Fletch said:
The point is, if you are not required to prove you are who you say you are with a picture ID, it is impossible to prove whether or not fraud is occurring. If I show up at the polls and claim to be my brother and vote in his name, I have committed voter fraud, but no one will ever know. A picture ID is a way to insure that the honest voter is not being disenfranchised by the dishonest voter.
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It's a second ID, the idea that people just vote with a warm body and moving legs is absurd.
 
Fletch said:
The point is, if you are not required to prove you are who you say you are with a picture ID, it is impossible to prove whether or not fraud is occurring. If I show up at the polls and claim to be my brother and vote in his name, I have committed voter fraud, but no one will ever know. A picture ID is a way to insure that the honest voter is not being disenfranchised by the dishonest voter.
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I have been voting for over forty years. Never once have I had to present any form of ID - picture or not - to vote. Not once. I am asked to fill out the form which includes my signature and address. They have a book with a copy of my registration form and they compare the two. Then I vote. I have never ever heard on accusation of voter fraud in any community I have ever voted in and followed these procedures.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
You need to show an ID to vote at your polling place, you have to be registered. ANOTHER ID isnt necessary. How about we make gunowners get a federal ID to buy a gun.
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No one is saying that voters should have to get a federal ID. Just use the same ID they used to register. It just ain't that difficult.
 
apdst said:
No one is saying that voters should have to get a federal ID. Just use the same ID they used to register. It just ain't that difficult.
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Reading comprehension. Read again.
Gunowners need a federal ID.
And voters can use their drivers licenses or any other ID... and not have to get a special second one that requires a wallet inspection, and use it again when they vote.
what demented polling place doesn't ask for ID's?
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Reading comprehension. Read again.
Gunowners need a federal ID.
And voters can use their drivers licenses or any other ID... and not have to get a special second one that requires a wallet inspection, and use it again when they vote.
what demented polling place doesn't ask for ID's?
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OMG!!! No they don't!
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Reading comprehension. Read again.
Gunowners need a federal ID.
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This isn't true for the majority of us who live in English-speaking countries. Are you from Syria or something?
 
AdamT said:
Why is it that these laws are universally (or nearly so) pushed for by Republicans, when there is absolutely no indication of a voter fraud problem in this country? Georgia passed one of these laws when its former Secretary of State could not recount a single example of voter impersonation during his time in office. Not one incident, but there were 650,000 registered voters who did not have photo IDs. What's the cost to the state of providing those 650,000 IDs? How many millions of hours were wasted providing them? And even then, how many people were denied their chance to vote because they weren't aware of the new law, or becaue they couldn't find, or afford to obtain the documents necessary to obtain the photo ID? And for what? Zero examples of fraud.

The painfully obvious purpose of these laws is to reduce Democratic voter participation and that is just a fact.
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How is that? Are Dems like Vampires and you can't photograph them? if you have a valid arguement, I'll listen.
 
Paschendale said:
In principal, ensuring that voting is honest and accurate is very important. And the theory that requiring voters to have IDs sounds like a good way to do that, in principal. Except that when actually implementing that, it just prevents legal voters from voting, and does little to stop fraudulent activity. ID requirements do not actually accomplish what proponents want them to do.
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Why would it prevent a legal voter from voting? I'm looking for a legit arguement against this here.
 
MKULTRABOY said:
Broad sweeping voter suppression, the US has never needed these laws before. Voter suppression is nothing new. The voting system has innacuracies in the millions that have little to do with a sneaky illegal immigrant voting, the left doesn't need an illegal immigrant vote to win, let's not flatter ourselves. People bitch about having to sit at a DMV and Im certainly going to bitch about getting a voter ID if I have to. Coming from the side that sees government overreach as tyranny this is really charming.
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You have to get an registration card to vote anyway. People are going to decide not to because they get their picture taken also?
 
1Perry said:
Why would it prevent a legal voter from voting? I'm looking for a legit arguement against this here.
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Is it really that hard to fathom? There are literally millions of Americans who don't have photo IDs. Many of them are elderly. Maybe it's not so easy for them to get around, or dig up the paperwork necessary to obtain a photo ID. Bottom line: photo ID laws DO prevent a lot of legal voters from voting. That's not something we have to puzzle over. Of course that's the PURPOSE of these laws: to prevent Democratic voters from casting ballots.
 
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AdamT said:
Is it really that hard to fathom? There are literally millions of Americans who don't have photo IDs. Many of them are elderly. Maybe it's not so easy for them to get around, or dig up the paperwork necessary to obtain a photo ID.
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They will soon be dead.

Bottom line: photo ID laws DO prevent a lot of legal voters from voting. That's not something we have to puzzle over. Of course that's the PURPOSE of these laws: to prevent Democratic voters from casting ballots.
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Sorry, generic statements do not prove anything.
 
taxigirl said:
It is not necessarily just racist. There are plenty of older folks who do not have birth certificates and cannot afford the expense of getting one and certificates are usually a requirement to get other ID.
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How much does it cost to get a copy of one's birth certificate?
 
1Perry said:
They will soon be dead.



Sorry, generic statements do not prove anything.
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There's nothing generic about it. There have been many studies showing that these laws prevent lots of people from voting and there is no evidence that they serve an important purpose. There's a reason that they are always pushed by Republicans, and it has nothing to do with voter fraud.
 
AdamT said:
Is it really that hard to fathom? There are literally millions of Americans who don't have photo IDs. Many of them are elderly. Maybe it's not so easy for them to get around, or dig up the paperwork necessary to obtain a photo ID. Bottom line: photo ID laws DO prevent a lot of legal voters from voting. That's not something we have to puzzle over. Of course that's the PURPOSE of these laws: to prevent Democratic voters from casting ballots.
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Maybe we could think of some way to make it easier to get a photo ID for those who cant get around. I dont know, maybe invent a cell phone that can take photos or something. You libs manage to get these people to the polls every two years, maybe you could actually pay some attention to them in the months between elections rather then just herd them like cattle to the polling booths to help perpetuate your wealth transfer schemes.
 
taxigirl said:
If not the ACLU then pick your source. Several other organizations have filed suit as well, people were turned away from the polls because they did not have ID. Some people cannot get ID because of lacking Birth Certificates for various reasons, lacking transportation to get somewhere to get ID, etc...
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Everyone that is in the US legally can get their BC's from their birth state and transportation no matter where they live.
 
The state has a legitimate issue in curbing voter fraud. Voter fraud undermines our entire system.

Of course the state can't use that legitimate issue to put a significant burden on voters that disenfranchises people needlessly. The question is does this policy put an undue burden on voters? I don't think so. Its something that a vast majority of people have already and those that don't have it can for the most part pretty easily obtain. A state ID or driver's lisence costs like five bucks and the government accepts various documents as proof of identity.

Calling these laws akin to Jim Crow is insulting to anyone who had to live under Jim Crow. These laws affect all races. The fact that minorities or the elderly may be more likely to not have an ID is an irrelevant side issue.
 
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