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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It was Southern Democrats, whose present-day equivalents are Republicans, who voted for him. And the civil rights movement, and subsequent legislation, is the reason that demographic left the Democratic Party to join the Republicans.

    History is not on your side here.
    It would appear the truth is not on your side (not that Wiki is an absolute source but…):

    Southern Democrats are members of the U.S. Democratic Party who reside in the American South. In the 19th century, they were the definitive pro-slavery wing of the party, opposed to both the anti-slavery Republicans (GOP) and the more liberal Northern Democrats...

    After the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, white voters who became tolerant of diversity began voting against Democratic incumbents for GOP candidates. The Republicans carried many Southern states for the first time since before the Great Depression. Rising educational levels and rising prosperity in the South, combined with shifts to the left by the national Democratic Party on a variety of socio-economic issues, led to widespread abandonment of the Democratic Party by white voters and Republican dominance in many Southern states by the 1990s and 2000s.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If "The right is swaddled in racism" as you claim, why is it necessary to go back 30 years to quote someone who is no longer alive to defend the accuracy or veracity of the quote?

    "Swaddled" would suggest commonplace, which means you should be able to find dozens of contemporaries around who are obvious racists.
    Thank you for confirming that, in this context, I was correct.

    But I'm sorry, I didn't use the phrase "The right is swaddled in racism". If you expect others to use your quotes then you should certainly do the same and use theirs - if for nothing else than to keep things straight for yourself.


    On the other hand, you've wasted a whole post on the wrong guy, so I guess I'm good with that.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    From your own link:
    The New Deal and After

    The passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which was widely opposed by white Southerners, was the event that finally moved the majority of Southerners to the Republican Party on a national level.

    Bonus points: Grant "Liked" your post.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Thank you for confirming that, in this context, I was correct.

    But I'm sorry, I didn't use the phrase "The right is swaddled in racism". If you expect others to use your quotes then you should certainly do the same and use theirs - if for nothing else than to keep things straight for yourself.


    On the other hand, you've wasted a whole post on the wrong guy, so I guess I'm good with that.
    My sincere apologies, MoSurveyor. Because you took over the debate from Karl I wrongly assumed it was him.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
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    The racists who supported the Democratic party all those years and supported the laws which reviled and enslaved the Black people, stayed with the party. Robert Byrd was an example of this.


    After World War II, during the civil rights movement, Democrats in the South initially still voted loyally with their party. After the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, white voters who became tolerant of diversity began voting against Democratic incumbents for GOP candidates. The Republicans carried many Southern states for the first time since before the Great Depression. Rising educational levels and rising prosperity in the South, combined with shifts to the left by the national Democratic Party on a variety of socio-economic issues, led to widespread abandonment of the Democratic Party by white voters and Republican dominance in many Southern states by the 1990s and 2000s.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Exactly. It was Democrats who enacted racism, Jim Crow laws, etc., not Republicans. [...]
    Actually it was conservatives. Then, and now. Q.E.D.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The racists who supported the Democratic party all those years and supported the laws which reviled and enslaved the Black people, stayed with the party. Robert Byrd was an example of this.
    Byrd seemed to have changed his stance on racism and gone with the "new" ideals. He's also from a Border State, as am I. Not exactly what I would call "Southern". (None of the Border States succeeded.) I certainly don't consider myself "Southern" of any stripe.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant, quoting an external source while failing to provide a link View Post
    After World War II, during the civil rights movement, Democrats in the South initially still voted loyally with their party. After the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, white voters who became tolerant of diversity began voting against Democratic incumbents for GOP candidates. The Republicans carried many Southern states for the first time since before the Great Depression. Rising educational levels and rising prosperity in the South, combined with shifts to the left by the national Democratic Party on a variety of socio-economic issues, led to widespread abandonment of the Democratic Party by white voters and Republican dominance in many Southern states by the 1990s and 2000s.
    You forgot this from your source:

    As the New Deal began to move Democrats as a whole to the left (at least economically), Southern Democrats largely stayed as conservative as they had always been, with some even breaking off to form farther right-wing splinters like the Dixiecrats. After the Civil Rights Movement successfully challenged the Jim Crow laws and other forms of institutionalized racism, and after the Democrats as a whole came to symbolize the mainstream left of the United States, the form, if not the content, of Southern Democratic politics began to change. At that point, most Southern Democrats defected to the Republican Party, and helped accelerate the latter's transformation into a more conservative organization.

    Southern Democrats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The racists who supported the Democratic party all those years and supported the laws which reviled and enslaved the Black people, stayed with the party. Robert Byrd was an example of this.
    And you you have to know that's a lie.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And you you have to know that's a lie.
    This is your truth again. Do you believe there are NO racists in the Democratic party? Really? Just for reference what party was Lincoln?

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