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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The right is swaddled in racism. Has been so for decades. Ergo, it is not a charge, but merely an observation of historical fact.
    "The right is swaddled in racism" which is why you have to go back to 1981 to quote a man who can't defend himself.

    That's quite a web site you referred me too, btw! Love those creative conspiracy theories!

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Go sell that snake oil at the next NAACP convention.... then tell us what you learned about history
    It's even on Wiki - is Wiki now part of the "snake oil"
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Since we all know that there are statistically no ineligible people voting -- that would be deterred by the Republican government photo ID laws -- the nefarious scheme is the huge scam which your post promulgates.

    It would be like passing a law that everyone must wear a tin foil hat to prevent abduction by aliens. There is an urgent need for that law; it would benefit millions, as well as the integrity of the country as a whole. As a side benefit, we could all begin receiving the right wing moonbeam transmissions that are apparently the source of some of the posts we see around here
    Did you steal this idea from History Commons?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Go sell that snake oil at the next NAACP convention.... then tell us what you learned about history
    If you feel he's in error why not point out where?

    You can't.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Did you steal this idea from History Commons?
    Are you suggesting Karl simply regurgitates misinformation without really understanding it or regurgitates it with full understanding and manipulative tendencies?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant, replying to Karl View Post
    If you feel he's in error why not point out where? You can't.
    I won't. The validity of his claim is the same as if he had said the world was flat. There is no need for an intelligent person to point out the details of the error.

    However, I will note that since the vast majority of black people vote Democrat, and his claim is that the Democrats are the racists, would mean that he is inferring that black people are too stupid to know which party to vote for to preserve their own self interests -- which is a racist inference. So, by playing fast and lose with context (historically the South has been racist, while the North has opposed racism, regardless of political party affiliation -- and there was a big shift to the Republican party affiliation in the south when the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed), the claim that Democrats are racists is -- in and of itself -- racist.

    How ya like them apples?

    The right will never be able to shed its racist roots; their best bet would be to put it behind them and look to the future, shedding their racist ways (such as these goofy photo ID laws and other attempts over recent history to disenfranchise the black vote) and putting their best foot forward. And trust me, that best foot is not Newt Gingrich (in fact, he's one of your problems).

    Edit: the ad homs are the sign of a lost argument, fellas....
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    I won't. The validity of his claim is the same as if he had said the world was flat. There is no need for an intelligent person to point out the details of the error.
    Karl, you're really not all that intelligent. You should address the points he made and not cut and run.

    The right will never be able to shed its racist roots; their best bet would be to put it behind them and look to the future, shedding their racist ways (such as these goofy photo ID laws and other attempts over recent history to disenfranchise the black vote)
    So you believe Black people needing photo ID in order to vote, just like everyone else does, is somehow "racist"? How so? All races would need it. Why should it effect Blacks more than any others?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    Karl, you're really not all that intelligent. You should address the points he made and not cut and run.



    So you believe Black people needing photo ID in order to vote, just like everyone else does, is somehow "racist"? How so? All races would need it. Why should it effect Blacks more than any others?
    Everyone knows that all blacks look alike. One photo ID would work for all of them.

    Well, maybe one for males and one for females.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I won't.
    Actually it's "you can't", without providing some alternate universe history.

    I love being right and you make it so easy Karl....
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Historical fact is the Democratic party is the racist party. I believe Democrats are the only party which had a former KKK recruiter as one of it's oldest and most prominent Congressional members. Jim Crow laws? Product of the Democrats. Segregation in Woodrow Wilson's White House? Absolutely...


    Keep trying to change history Karl. I love correcting you and you certainly keep me busy.
    Did someone miss the 1960's change (it was referenced right here in this thread) when people like Wallace were no longer wanted in the Democratic Party, at which point the majority of southern whites started turning to the GOP to continue baring the banner?

    I love Teddy Roosevelt, a leader of Republicans in his day (in fact he's in my avatar and sig), but that doesn't mean I love today's Republicans and what they generally represent.


    Ed:
    Grant argued you can't go back 30 years to make a point (which I would refute because a whole lot of voters were adults 30 years ago) and you're trying to go back 90 years! Denying that any organization doesn't change a little over time is insane. Denying anything in politics persists more than a few decades (as long as living voters can remember) is worse.
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