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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    All that is an reference to Wallace. I believe that quote was from a speech he made in 1963 when he was Governor of AL. I don't where you got the idea that I thought you said it.
    All you need do is look at the post.

    You mean he ran in the PRIMARIES to become a candidate for President in 1964. He didn't make it by a long shot.
    Yes. He was a Democratic candidate for president and he collected a third of the vote of the Democrats in three northern states. This does not make him a Republican.

    -Any reasonably educated American would know that Johnson "ran for President on the Democratic ticket in 1964" - and won.
    -Any reasonably educated American would know that Wallace ran for President on the Independent ticket in 1968.
    Except that I mentioned Wallace as a Democrat in 1964, not 1968. Read the post again if you're still confused.
    There are two funny things about history. One, the winners write the books.
    No, anyone can write a book. That's a poorly thought out cliche that never carried any truth or wisdom with it.
    Two, the "facts" as some people call them, which are usually just opinions that connect the actual facts, are open to interpretation and everyone believes their version is 'right'.
    I've only pointed out the "Fact" of George Wallace running as a Democrat presidential candidate in 1964, not 1968 as you claimed, and gaining a credibile amount of support in the process. Do you dispute this?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes. He was a Democratic candidate for president and he collected a third of the vote of the Democrats in three northern states. This does not make him a Republican.
    (Never said he was a Republican.)

    I've only pointed out the "Fact" of George Wallace running as a Democrat presidential candidate in 1964, not 1968 as you claimed, and gaining a credibile amount of support in the process. Do you dispute this?
    Let's see 3 of 50 states is 6% and 1/3 of that is about 2%. Yeah - I can see where you would call that "a credibile amount of support".

    Running for the nomination is not that same running for the office. What I said was,
    Wallace had to resort to running as an Independent for President, the Democrats wouldn't let him on their ballot.
    You haven't disproved this, you've just decided that "running for President" and "running for the nomination for President" is the same thing, when they're not.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    [QUOTE=Grant;1060269607][QUOTE=


    But of course I never said that. I never even hinted at it.



    I assume you are not American. Any reasonably well educated American would know that George Wallace ran for President on the Democratic ticket in 1964 and did very well on the states he entered, northern states by the way.


    That's the claim now, but history contradicts this blithe account of things.[/QUOTE]

    George Wallace campaign for president:

    Former Governor of Alabama George Wallace ran in the 1968 United States presidential election as the candidate of the American Independent Party.

    Wallace's pro-segregation policies had been rejected by the mainstream of the Democratic Party. The impact of the Wallace campaign was substantial, winning the electoral votes of several states in the Deep South. Although Wallace did not expect to win the election, his strategy was to prevent either major party candidate from winning a preliminary majority in the Electoral College, which would then give him bargaining power to determine the winner.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Your notes are rather sketchy. Let's fill them out a bit.

    George Corley Wallace (August 25, 1919 September 13, 1998) was an American politician and the 45th governor of Alabama, serving four terms: 19631967, 19711979 and 19831987. After four runs for U. S. president (three as a Democrat and one on the American Independent Party ticket), he earned the title of "the most influential loser" in 20th-century U.S. politics, according to biographers Dan T. Carter[1] and Stephan Lesher.[2]
    Building upon his newfound public image following the University of Alabama controversy, Wallace entered the Democratic primaries on the advice of a public relations expert from Wisconsin.[22] Wallace campaigned strongly by expressing his opposition on integration and a tough on crime platform. In Democratic primaries in Wisconsin, Maryland and Indiana, he won a third of the vote in each state.[23]
    The segregationist Governor of Alabama, George Wallace, ran in a number of northern primaries against Johnson, and did surprisingly well in primaries in Maryland, Indiana, and Wisconsin against favorite son candidates who were stalking horses for Johnson. All favorite-sons, however, won their primaries

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Your notes are rather sketchy. Let's fill them out a bit.
    So what is your point? You do realize that it was primarily the civil rights movement that caused many southern democrats to switch to the Republican Party, right? This is not something I'd be boasting about if I was a (non-racist) Republican.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So what is your point? You do realize that it was primarily the civil rights movement that caused many southern democrats to switch to the Republican Party, right? This is not something I'd be boasting about if I was a (non-racist) Republican.
    There were many from every political party and from every religious faith, plus atheists and agnostics, who were championing civil rights in the United States, and many foreigners as well.

    Martin Luther King was a devout Christian and as a result it would be closer to the truth that Christians most helped to bring civil rights to the Southern United States, not irreligious left wingers.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There were many from every political party and from every religious faith, plus atheists and agnostics, who were championing civil rights in the United States, and many foreigners as well.

    Martin Luther King was a devout Christian and as a result it would be closer to the truth that Christians most helped to bring civil rights to the Southern United States, not irreligious left wingers.

    It was not southern Democrats, either.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There were many from every political party and from every religious faith, plus atheists and agnostics, who were championing civil rights in the United States, and many foreigners as well.

    Martin Luther King was a devout Christian and as a result it would be closer to the truth that Christians most helped to bring civil rights to the Southern United States, not irreligious left wingers.
    And? It was the civil rights movement that turned the South from blue to red. Deal with it.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It was not southern Democrats, either.
    That's right. They didnt have much interest in the civil rights movement.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And? It was the civil rights movement that turned the South from blue to red. Deal with it.
    I have no trouble dealing with it.

    LBJ deserves a lot of credit from the Democrats for creating a sub class to become dependent on government largess. BHO is continuing much the same tradition with unions.

    It may not be good for America, but it's great party politics.

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