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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Or they can sign an affidavit and vote in a provisional ballot.

    Catch your own train....
    Oh my... caught red handed and you can't admit it, but you can make it worse by denying it. Priceless!

    Voters who don't provide an excuse for not having a photo ID can vote, but the vote wouldn't count until they return to the board of registration and elections to provide a photo ID, according to the complaint.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Um, no ID....? They are allowed to vote, no one is disenfranchised. Period.


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    All provisional ballots are kept separate and not counted on election night. It will be counted if your registration is verified.
    http://www.vote411.org/bystateresult.php?state=

    Once an election is "called" provisional votes are most often not counted. So instead of providing ID, you get to sign an affidavit to cast a vote that most likely won't be counted. I'd say that is pretty disenfranchising.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    http://www.vote411.org/bystateresult.php?state=

    Once an election is "called" provisional votes are most often not counted. So instead of providing ID, you get to sign an affidavit to cast a vote that most likely won't be counted. I'd say that is pretty disenfranchising.

    The Department of Motor Vehicles says nearly 700 people have called about getting a free ride to get a photo identification card to comply with South Carolina's new voter ID law. According to the DMV, only 25 rides are scheduled for the one-day only free ride program, happening Wednesday, and most of the people who called the DMV were not interested in getting a ride.

    "The vast majority of the calls we received were from citizens who simply wanted to know what they had to do to get an identification card," said DMV Executive Director Kevin Shwedo. And it wasnt about politics. It was about helping people get the photo IDs they need to conduct business in their everyday lives."

    In late August, Gov. Nikki Haley unveiled the free-ride program during a news conference with DMV director Kevin Shwedo, telling voters they could call to schedule a ride to their local DMV office.. Residents had to qualify by September 22.
    Despite the low turnout for the program, Haley feels she is helping alleviate the problem.

    "We wanted everybody that wanted a state ID to get one. We got 25 appointments, that's 25 people we're helping so I'm pleased with that," said Haley. "Should it have been more? You know, there were a lot of people that said they were thousands of people that were not able to get to the DMV. None of us knew what we were walking into, but, we were prepared whether it was 25 or 2,500."

    Gov. Haley and supporters of the voter ID law argue the measure will help stop voter fraud and secure South Carolina's elections.

    "If you have to show a picture ID to buy Sudafed, if you have to show a picture ID to get on an airplane, you should show a picture ID when you vote," Haley said.

    More SC voters than first thought don't have photo ID : News : MidlandsConnect.com

    Look, it just sounds to me like you liberals are crying about every hurdle being overcome...IF you don't have ID you can sign and affidavit and vote, if you don't have a ride to the DMV you can call and get a free ride there and back...etc. The problem is that we IMHO, will never hear the REAL reason you are against this type of law which is that you liberals can't use illegals, and other non registered people to commit fraud in elections.

    It's ok though, I am sure that now that Holder refused to prosecute the New Black Panthers for wielding billy clubs outside polling places, maybe this time we will see some real beat downs by the Obama SS for non Obama voters, that really isn't intimidation either.....


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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I've suggested from the very beginning that the local DMV's set up booths for ID card creation near polling centers in poorer neighborhoods. I'm normally very against anything that'll cost the government, but considering how little effort it would really take for a few DMV workers to throw a few computers and the ID card machine into a van and to set up a booth in their local area, the cost would be almost nothing to the government. Let's face it, it doesn't actually cost the government $50 per ID card.
    If all states took this to heart there may not be a problem but it's going to take a lot more than some promise by a politician. These needs have to be addressed in the voter law itself or addressed in writing before the voter laws are passed, otherwise they're worthless. I've seen no such commitment in writing and, quite honestly, I don't expect to see it unless it's forced by the ACLU, the Fed, or whoever.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    As far as the person who earlier attacked this idea because the "poor can't get transportation to the voting stations", that sounds like a personal problem. The government isn't here to wipe your a** for you, you have to take some responsibility in your own life. I think it'd be very fair to offer free ID cards to poor families in order to facilitate voting.
    I agree with this assessment. 30 years ago when I was driving a cab we had a voting day program where we helped older people get to the polls to vote. This kind of charity has been on-going for decades and I don't know why it would be brought up. I didn't see the specific post but maybe the poster's intent was voter registration instead of voting place? I don't know, it's just a guess.

    To me free ID cards are a must regardless of economic position - though I can see not issuing them to someone that already has a driver's license.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Look, it just sounds to me like you liberals are crying about every hurdle being overcome...IF you don't have ID you can sign and affidavit and vote, if you don't have a ride to the DMV you can call and get a free ride there and back...etc. The problem is that we IMHO, will never hear the REAL reason you are against this type of law which is that you liberals can't use illegals, and other non registered people to commit fraud in elections.

    It's ok though, I am sure that now that Holder refused to prosecute the New Black Panthers for wielding billy clubs outside polling places, maybe this time we will see some real beat downs by the Obama SS for non Obama voters, that really isn't intimidation either.....


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    It is a one day only free ride program and you had to be registered for it by Sept 22.

    You do not have a response to my post explaining what a provisional ballot is. Would you want to vote if you knew yours would not be counted? That is called disenfranchisement.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    [...] IF you don't have ID you can sign and affidavit and vote,
    Well, the lies are coming fast and furious now. If you don't have a valid excuse for not having a valid photo ID, you can vote, but it won't count (unless you show up later with -- a valid photo ID). This has been proven twice now, but this particular lie, it keeps on a comin'.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    if you don't have a ride to the DMV you can call and get a free ride there and back...etc.
    According to your own quote, that was a one day program. And you had to pre-register. So, here we have a lie by omission.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The problem is that we IMHO, will never hear the REAL reason you are against this type of law which is that you liberals can't use illegals, and other non registered people to commit fraud in elections.
    Ah. The propaganda portion of our program. How many times has the right been asked to provide evidence of this voter fraud? At least four times in this thread alone, IIRC.

    And how many times has that evidence been provided?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's ok though, I am sure that now that Holder refused to prosecute the New Black Panthers for wielding billy clubs outside polling places, [....]
    There was one billy club. Singular. Chalk up another lie. Check that -- there was also one polling place. Singular. Change that chalk mark to two lies.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    maybe this time we will see some real beat downs by the Obama SS for non Obama voters, that really isn't intimidation either.....
    And we close out with a racist Nazi reference. All around, a stellar, intellectual post -- pretty much totally devoid of truth, and what little truth was provided was twisted.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Admit it every time? I'm pointing it out frequently. The clueless and uneducated vote for Democrats and more responsible people vote for Republicans. The fact that this has to be pointed out to you yet again strongly indicates into which category you fall.
    This speaks volumes about you. You just said it again -- stop Democrats from voting. It's interesting how acccording to you guys, all colllege professors are raging lefties, yet only the uneducated vote for Democrats....how's that work?


    Of course every responsible person wants its citizenry to be better educated, with the exception of the Democrats. Why else do you suppose BHO canceled the Opportunity Scholarship Program funding while his own children go to a private school?

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    As is constantly pointed out by the right, we can't just afford to have the government paying for everything. So which is it? Keep every program and keep deficit spending? Or is it just the programs you like?

    And if educated, responsible people vote Republican, why is Rick Santorum so against higher education? You'd think it would create more Republican voters. You're full of contradictions


    Fairness and equal opportunity is "crap". Spoken like a true Democrat,
    Fairness and equal opportunity is wonderful. Let's have some. The thought that requiring ID for voting creates that...is crap.

    And how is stopping Democrats from voting, which you clearly admit is what you want, fair?
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Absolutely...outcries against this are phony, and meant to keep the flaws in the system in place to be

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    False, out cries over this are happening because most states that are trying to enact said law aren't following SCs lead

    That and SCs help isn't very good. The obstacles to voting should be done in such a way that anyone, regardless of position can over come them.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    This speaks volumes about you. You just said it again -- stop Democrats from voting. It's interesting how acccording to you guys, all colllege professors are raging lefties, yet only the uneducated vote for Democrats....how's that work?
    I said "stop Democrats from voting"? Where?

    Do you think that being a college professor implies intelligence about things outside their field? These very often are ridiculously insulated people and repeat only what they learned at their leftist professors knee while still dewy eyes innocents. I just had dinner with a couple of them last night. The miseducation is reflected in the absence of debate on college campuses and the thugs and mugs who are hired.

    As is constantly pointed out by the right, we can't just afford to have the government paying for everything. So which is it? Keep every program and keep deficit spending? Or is it just the programs you like?
    The Constitution served the American people well until judicial activism took hold and judges began reading things into the Constitution which weren't there.'When they began usurping State Rights then the gradual decline began.
    And if educated, responsible people vote Republican, why is Rick Santorum so against higher education? You'd think it would create more Republican voters. You're full of contradictions
    Firstly you would need to support what you just claimed with an in-context quote. Secondly Rick Santorum does not speak for Republicans. He is a political candidate and holds no office at all.
    Fairness and equal opportunity is wonderful. Let's have some. The thought that requiring ID for voting creates that...is crap.
    How does demonstrating that an individual has the legal right to vote constitute unfairness? If anything the reverse is true because it is only fair that only those Americans who are legally allowed to vote should be voting. Are you one of those who will not only not protect your borders but not protect your electoral system as well? A lot of lives have been lost in vain if that is the case.



    And how is stopping Democrats from voting, which you clearly admit is what you want, fair?
    If I "clearly admitted it" then provide the quote. That way you'll have some creds.

    Maybe an intelligence test should also be made mandatory before voting privileges are allowed.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Really? Here all this time I thought that the educational institutions were all hotbeds of liberal thought and indoctrination. How is it, then, that it is the uneducated who vote Democratic?
    Perhaps you're confusing education with indoctrination. We can call a Marxist economics professor "educated" but we can also question the value of that education when it applies to the reality of daily life. A professor specializing in quantum physics may not understand municipal budgets or other aspects of life that the most people deal with on a regular basis. They tend to do better in theory than reality. So do those on the bottom end of the scale who also have little contact with the middle class.

    It seems to me that it is the uneducated who vote party line, whether it is R or D, without thought as to who they're voting for or what the issues are.
    I'm more interested in how we define "uneducated" and what that means in the larger sense.

    I'm among those who are not terribly impressed with the quality of the product the education system has been turning out and international grading systems support the idea that a great deal of money has been going to waste. At the same time political leaders like Barrack Obama, as well as most Democrats, want the power for the unions, not for genuine education where the student comes first.

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