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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88
    Fake ID's aren't that hard to get, and any well financed group with a vested interest in the outcome of the election can (and probably will) game the system.
    Think of the logistics it would take to pull off any significant in-person voter fraud.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    To those who believe actual voter fraud exists and is a problem: how many people have been convicted of voter fraud in the last decade?
    So since people have historically got away with voter fraud we should never try to stop it huh. I think we have turned a blind eye too this for far to long and in this era where the vote is so equally divided between right and left we can't let a little fraud here and there swing the results. An honest election is crucial to a democracy surviving.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I think you may walk to jail.
    I refer you to post #39 in this thread.

    If you are being detained yes, you need to show ID, if not you do not need to even speak to an officer.

    Please pass go and collect your civil rights.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Think of the logistics it would take to pull off any significant in-person voter fraud.
    Many local elections for everything from mayor to governor are within a few hundred votes , sometimes even less.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I refer you to post #39 in this thread.

    If you are being detained yes, you need to show ID, if not you do not need to even speak to an officer.

    Please pass go and collect your civil rights.
    I am assuming if a cop ask you for ID as you walk down the street he is doing so because you just walked out of a store with something in your pocket or some similar event. Cops can't ask you for ID on a whim, or maybe you are just cute and he wants your phone number. LOL

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law - chicagotribune.com

    We have gone through so many years in the United States without Voter ID laws, and we now suddenly need them? Voter fraud is not something that is not common in the United States and this seems like an attempt to disenfranchise certain sets of voters.
    I see absolutely nothing wrong with requiring someone to prove they're an eligible voter by showing identification. Many people say, "There's no evidence voter fraud is a problem." Well, that's the point. How would one gather evidence if no one is required to show an identification?

    I have to show identification for everything -- why not for the most important right we enjoy? I think one party believes their base is too stupid or apathetic to get an identification. It's the only reason I can think of to oppose it.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So since people have historically got away with voter fraud we should never try to stop it huh. I think we have turned a blind eye too this for far to long and in this era where the vote is so equally divided between right and left we can't let a little fraud here and there swing the results. An honest election is crucial to a democracy surviving.
    By your answer, I take it that you cannot prove any significant voter fraud in the last decade.

    Just how many people have been convicted of voter fraud in the last decade?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am assuming if a cop ask you for ID as you walk down the street he is doing so because you just walked out of a store with something in your pocket or some similar event. Cops can't ask you for ID on a whim, or maybe you are just cute and he wants your phone number. LOL
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    That has happened a time or two.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    By your answer, I take it that you cannot prove any significant voter fraud in the last decade.

    Just how many people have been convicted of voter fraud in the last decade?
    Heres just a few cases of fraud to get the ball rolling.


    On Jan. 30 in West Virginia, Lincoln County Sheriff Jerry Bowman and Lincoln County Clerk Donald Whitten pleaded guilty to federal charges they attempted to flood the 2010 Democratic primary with fraudulent absentee ballots. Bowman was a candidate for Circuit Clerk. The two admitted to falsifying more than 100 absentee ballot applications for voters who did not have any legal basis to vote absentee.

    In the Troy, N.Y., case, out of eight who were charged, four have pleaded guilty. City Councilmen John Brown and Anthony DeFiglio, former Troy City Clerk William McInerney and Democratic operative Anthony Renna all pleaded guilty. The probe was into whether they forged signatures on applications for absentee ballots and on actual ballots in the 2009 primary of the Working Families Party, a third party in New York state that frequently cross-endorses Democratic candidates.

    The Albany Times-Union newspaper reported that most of the fraudulent names were of residents of public housing authority apartments. The paper quoted DeFiglio calling it a “normal political tactic.”

    Meanwhile, in 2011, the Colorado Secretary of State’s office compared voter data with state Department of Revenue data and found more than 16,000 potential matches of non-citizens on the state’s voter rolls.

    Prior to that, a report by the Milwaukee Police Department on the 2004 election found, “there does remain a strong possibility that the discovery of those random staffers voting illegally is the proverbial ‘tip of the iceberg’ as it relates to an illegal organized attempt to influence the outcome of the election in the state of Wisconsin.”

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
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    That has happened a time or two.
    LMAO.I knew it! HA

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