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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Actually I apologize. For wasting your time. Had I any idea your posts were the work of a college professor and a taxi cab driver I would have understood the root issue at work here. A poorly drawn and utterly ignorant character. Er college pro and cabbie.
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    Are you familiar with hat day? If not you will be happy to know it is a Federal Law brought in by the Coolidge Administration requiring men of war fighting age to on every third Friday of months that have 31 days to don a funny hat.

    Now, just because I said that doesn't make it so. I challenge you to find any law, Supreme Court decision or newspaper article which states that as a United States citizen you are required to have identification.

    As an elitist taxi dispatcher / college instructor I am a stickler for proof in order to be persuaded.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I've already stated my position on voter ID's, which is the same as the Supreme Court's review of the Indiana case. If a State wants to require a voter ID card to vote then it should issue said card for free. Any cost for secondary documentation to obtain said card is irrelevant. That's the law as it stands now, even if it is just case law. If the ACLU wants to watchdog States as they make new voter ID laws to ensure compliance with that SC review/opinion then I applaud them. As far as I'm concerned you can never have too many people watch-dogging the government. Everything beyond that position is already in the realm of speculation, opinion, and/or belief and has nothing to do with "reality".


    My opinion is that any law that would disenfranchise people, especially from the electoral process, probably needs some more thought to minimize it's impact.

    -The State could allow a couple of years for the law to take affect instead of pushing it through at the last minute. I mean, really? We have presidential elections at four year intervals and they can't pick a better time than now? They can't allow more time for people to get this stuff done?* What's the big rush?

    -The State could issue the needed documents free of charge for this use. Would that be such a big deal? Would they really loose so much money making a photocopy and slapping an official stamp on it that it would bankrupt the State? Please. $0.05 piece of paper, $0.02 ink, maybe $1 for clerk time, $1.07 oh boy that'll kill us! If there are so few of these people out there then it shouldn't cost hardly anything.

    (*It still doesn't completely solve the issue of travel but at least this would also allow more time for people to arrange transportation with friends or relatives instead of having to pay a cab or whatever to get this done.)

    What's the big problem with doing these things instead of shutting people out?
    How would it diminish us as a society to allow the time and make the documentation available?
    This doesn't speak to anything I said. Not even sure why you think I disagree with it. You do steal quite a few bases from post to post.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Most of the time, you're only required to have your driver's license with you if you are driving. You are only required to have your passport in your possession if you are re-entering the country, and you are almost never required to carry your birth certificate with you.

    An interesting note to consider: a driver's license proves identity, but it does not prove citizenship. So the idea that having it will prevent non-citizens from voting is ludicrous. It is entriely possible -- in fact it happens all the time -- for someone who is not a citizen to have a DL in the state in which the reside.

    Now we are over 560 posts into a thread that is about a requirement that's not that hard to meet, and won't fix something that usually works out to less than 1% of the vote. We're so lucky in this country that our economy is humming along so beautifully and unemployment is non-existent, because obviously this is the most important thing that needs to be done. We also need to outlaw Sharia law, and worry about whether birth control is covered by insurance. We need to investigate whether Obama had Andrew Breitbart killed, and whether Liberal kick more puppies than Conservatives or vice versa.


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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    It would have been simpler to just say "No".
    Is there a reason you avoid questions? How do you expect anyone to discuss anything if you refuse to answer questions? Why is it that 15 million would be unable to prove their citizenship?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You would restrict religious freedom? That's sad, truly sad, that you think the Amish are being idiots.
    Anyone who believes something for which there is no evidence is an idiot, yes. I'm not saying they can't believe it, just that they are not justified in doing so and haven't earned any respect for doing so.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Most of the time, you're only required to have your driver's license with you if you are driving. You are only required to have your passport in your possession if you are re-entering the country, and you are almost never required to carry your birth certificate with you.
    Not any more. Have you tried to travel into Canada lately?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    [...] Being careless about keeping your ID up to date is totally on you. [...] You can be fined for not doing so.
    Isn't that on an old Soviet Union billboard somewhere?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Isn't that on an old Soviet Union billboard somewhere?
    I think I saw something like that in the Washington DC Holocaust Memorial Museum.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Gie,

    Are you familiar with hat day? If not you will be happy to know it is a Federal Law brought in by the Coolidge Administration requiring men of war fighting age to on every third Friday of months that have 31 days to don a funny hat.

    Now, just because I said that doesn't make it so. I challenge you to find any law, Supreme Court decision or newspaper article which states that as a United States citizen you are required to have identification.

    As an elitist taxi dispatcher / college instructor I am a stickler for proof in order to be persuaded.
    I'll be sure to quote this thread on "hat" day at DP next year. I'm certain "college professors" who also cabby but can't answer a single question will be strong contenders. Though strong money says you won't be around.

    EDIT: I'm sorry Karl & Haymarket and other ilk, but is this internet profile worse than that of most TV sitcoms? Seriously? College professor/cab driver that has internet time? Please, I know as I type this, you are lurking. So the second I post this, could you two giants of intellect please go ahead and do what you do? Please? Pretty please?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Not any more. Have you tried to travel into Canada lately?
    I actually haven't been to Canada in a while. I would like to. I used to go to Canada frequently, and back then I wasn't usually asked for any ID whatsoever at either side of the border. That was before 9/11 though. Last time I went I was with a citizen of Japan who was studying in the US. No hassle. She showed her passport, they took a quick look and waved us through

    I thought they did make it so that you needed a passport to re-enter the US. Could be wrong. Even a birth certificate doesn't prove citizenship. You could be a naturalized citizen and still vote, at which point your birthplace is only an issue if you run for President. At any rate, documentation required to enter Canada is irrelevant when it comes to voting.


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