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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Needs the votes of dead people who can't show up to the DMV but still can secure an ID and vote? My bad, from what I can see at DP, supposedly owing to the "prosecution rate" for voter fraud, there is no voter fraud and dead people have only voted in our election in the way way way back days. As long as one dead old infirm or ill zombie can't vote, there should be no change to our current system!

    That is all.
    Not sure what your stance is here.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Not sure what your stance is here.
    I was not speaking to you, which is why you were not quoted. I was speaking to the poster quoted.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Take the number of votes that have been cast since the the year 2000. Then take the number of convictions for voter fraud in that same time period. The result is so tiny that it does not even begin to approach the beginnings of any problem which demands a solution. Voter fraud does not even rise to the level of being a pimple on the ass of the body politic.

    This is about one thing pure and simple and that is a strategic tactic by the right wing to deny people designated as their enemies the vote so as to tip the scales in their favor in future elections. The census tells us that with each passing year, white people are becoming a smaller part of the nations population percentage wise. Within thirty years or forty from now, people today described as minorities together will outnumber whites. The Republican Party is pretty much the white persons party. If they want to win future elections in an environment where their current base is a minority, they will need to do one of two things:

    1 - expand their appeal to other demographic groups by moderating many of their positions - of course they are doing the OPPOSITE, turning harder to the right now more than ever. This leaves
    2- find way to deny the Other the vote so that they can still win elections with a minority party.

    That is what this current struggle is all about.

    There simply is no significant evidence that voter fraud is a problem that needs such a solution. There is plenty of evidence of the true motivations of Republicans.

    http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression

    http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.o...r_suppress.php

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/pol...pres033951.php
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    In all 50 states of this country, old infirm and ill people that are legal citizens can secure legal ID. Prove otherwise. All 50 states, as far as I am aware, though certainly most, require all citizens to have a state issued ID. You don't have to have a DL but you do have to have an ID. Prove otherwise. Nobody, I repeat again, as I did in the last post, nobody (but you) has said a word about getting anyone to the polls. Prove otherwise.

    Goodnight yet also, wake up.
    You are not required to have ID. You need a DL if you are driving, ID to buy alcohol, tobacco, enter bars, buy guns, bank, cross borders etc...
    If you have truly read this thread you will have seen the roadblocks there are for some people seeking ID.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    You are not required to have ID. You need a DL if you are driving, ID to buy alcohol, tobacco, enter bars, buy guns, bank, cross borders etc...
    If you have truly read this thread you will have seen the roadblocks there are for some people seeking ID.
    You are not required to have ID? Where? A DL is ID, proof that you can drive. If you don't have a DL, you are still required to have ID. Why do you think there is such a thing as a ID? Dear girl, read the thread and maybe go read about your states laws about ID. Gonna learn a few things if you do. Goodnight for real. No really.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Voter suppression by the right wing in an effort to win future elections is being championed by ALEC - the American Legislative Exchange Council. Here is a list of their bills and why they are harmful to our system of government

    Bills Affecting Civil Rights and Our Democracy - Alec Exposed
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    You are not required to have ID. You need a DL if you are driving, ID to buy alcohol, tobacco, enter bars, buy guns, bank, cross borders etc...
    If you have truly read this thread you will have seen the roadblocks there are for some people seeking ID.
    Actually I apologize. For wasting your time. Had I any idea your posts were the work of a college professor and a taxi cab driver I would have understood the root issue at work here. A poorly drawn and utterly ignorant character. Er college pro and cabbie.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Require a State issued ID?!? LOL! What non-sense.

    Pretty sure that's not a requirement here and, no, I'm not going to go looking for a State law that says, "No one is required to have a State ID". LOL! May as well look for a law that says, "No one is required to wear a hat", you'd have just as much luck finding it.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Require a State issued ID?!? LOL! What non-sense.

    Pretty sure that's not a requirement here and, no, I'm not going to go looking for a State law that says, "No one is required to have a State ID". LOL! May as well look for a law that says, "No one is required to wear a hat", you'd have just as much luck finding it.
    Another well informed whack a mole. Because only people who can drive have an ID!

    Good thing you are not going to go "looking" for anything. You might find an old fart Who song about a certain wasteland.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Another well informed whack a mole. Because only people who can drive have an ID!

    Good thing you are not going to go "looking" for anything. You might find an old fart Who song about a certain wasteland.
    No, I've known people who got a State ID card because they wanted to purchase alcohol and cigarettes. Dumb kids, I know, but what can you do?


    Ed:
    If you mean state ID, which would include the Fed, then you might get closer but I'm still not sure you could grab the ring.


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