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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Do the Amish carry no IDs of any kind? What's your source for that?

    And besides, the Amish don't vote, and when they do, they tend to vote Republican. So if it's all a ploy to disenfranchise Democrat voters, then it isn't working well in that case.

    The Amish vote
    Why does it matter why it is being done? It is being done and some people will not be able to vote, doesn't matter who or why.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    Why does it matter why it is being done? It is being done and some people will not be able to vote, doesn't matter who or why.
    The whole topic of this thread is why it's being done.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The whole topic of this thread is why it's being done.
    Yes, I did mention disenfranchisement in the OP. However I am more concerned that it is being done for any reason. Does it violate rights? is it a poll tax? etc...

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, calm down. I said nothing of the kind, and you have no idea what "I'd say." If you're going to get histrionic, there's no point in having a discussion at all.
    I've already stated my position on voter ID's, which is the same as the Supreme Court's review of the Indiana case. If a State wants to require a voter ID card to vote then it should issue said card for free. Any cost for secondary documentation to obtain said card is irrelevant. That's the law as it stands now, even if it is just case law. If the ACLU wants to watchdog States as they make new voter ID laws to ensure compliance with that SC review/opinion then I applaud them. As far as I'm concerned you can never have too many people watch-dogging the government. Everything beyond that position is already in the realm of speculation, opinion, and/or belief and has nothing to do with "reality".


    My opinion is that any law that would disenfranchise people, especially from the electoral process, probably needs some more thought to minimize it's impact.

    -The State could allow a couple of years for the law to take affect instead of pushing it through at the last minute. I mean, really? We have presidential elections at four year intervals and they can't pick a better time than now? They can't allow more time for people to get this stuff done?* What's the big rush?

    -The State could issue the needed documents free of charge for this use. Would that be such a big deal? Would they really loose so much money making a photocopy and slapping an official stamp on it that it would bankrupt the State? Please. $0.05 piece of paper, $0.02 ink, maybe $1 for clerk time, $1.07 oh boy that'll kill us! If there are so few of these people out there then it shouldn't cost hardly anything.

    (*It still doesn't completely solve the issue of travel but at least this would also allow more time for people to arrange transportation with friends or relatives instead of having to pay a cab or whatever to get this done.)

    What's the big problem with doing these things instead of shutting people out?
    How would it diminish us as a society to allow the time and make the documentation available?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    What states have hardship laws that will assist people with getting ID and getting to the polls?
    Currently, as far as I know, all states do. Perhaps only most. Of course I'm talking about *current* scenarios and I did not say a word about getting to the polls. Why *add* that? Does "getting to the polls" currently factor into ID law? Really? Please, what states have laws about getting people to the election polls if they want an ID? I mean if you want to add that to mix, the whole election system disenfranchises voters. How silly and I find the suggestion that if we amend election laws to require photo ID, this "endangered" demographic that can secure legal certified ID's now won't be able to do so then ridiculous. Frankly most of this thread is what is generally known as a galaxy sized fully stuffed STRAWMAN. Supposedly anyone supporting requiring photo ID's is not in favor of providing the same means to secure a ID as already required by law, and is so heartless that they would oppose any assistance or common sense measures to assist such "hardship" cases. So far, in the three recent threads on this topic at this forum I can't find one poster advocating such a position. A lot of Ray Bolger at work here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    What states have hardship laws that will assist people with getting ID and getting to the polls?
    One state that justice is suing over this issue has even stated that it would get id to those voters that couldn't get to a dmv to obtain one, and holder said not good enough. Why? I mean if there is nothing fishy intended with the vote.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Currently, as far as I know, all states do. Perhaps only most. Of course I'm talking about *current* scenarios and I did not say a word about getting to the polls. Why *add* that? Does "getting to the polls" currently factor into ID law? Really? Please, what states have laws about getting people to the election polls if they want an ID? I mean if you want to add that to mix, the whole election system disenfranchises voters. How silly and I find the suggestion that if we amend election laws to require photo ID, this "endangered" demographic that can secure legal certified ID's now won't be able to do so then ridiculous. Frankly most of this thread is what is generally known as a galaxy sized fully stuffed STRAWMAN. Supposedly anyone supporting requiring photo ID's is not in favor of providing the same means to secure a ID as already required by law, and is so heartless that they would oppose any assistance or common sense measures to assist such "hardship" cases. So far, in the three recent threads on this topic at this forum I can't find one poster advocating such a position. A lot of Ray Bolger at work here.
    Please find a source that states there are hardship laws for getting people to get an ID or to the polls.

    Where are ID's required by law?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    One state that justice is suing over this issue has even stated that it would get id to those voters that couldn't get to a dmv to obtain one, and holder said not good enough. Why? I mean if there is nothing fishy intended with the vote.

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    Read the thread which explains why some people do not have ID.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    One state that justice is suing over this issue has even stated that it would get id to those voters that couldn't get to a dmv to obtain one, and holder said not good enough. Why? I mean if there is nothing fishy intended with the vote.

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    Needs the votes of dead people who can't show up to the DMV but still can secure an ID and vote? My bad, from what I can see at DP, supposedly owing to the "prosecution rate" for voter fraud, there is no voter fraud and dead people have only voted in our election in the way way way back days. As long as one dead old infirm or ill zombie can't vote, there should be no change to our current system!

    That is all.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Please find a source that states there are hardship laws for getting people to get an ID or to the polls.

    Where are ID's required by law?
    In all 50 states of this country, old infirm and ill people that are legal citizens can secure legal ID. Prove otherwise. All 50 states, as far as I am aware, though certainly most, require all citizens to have a state issued ID. You don't have to have a DL but you do have to have an ID. Prove otherwise. Nobody, I repeat again, as I did in the last post, nobody (but you) has said a word about getting anyone to the polls. Prove otherwise.

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