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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Who's going to fine an Amish farmer for not having a photo ID?

    Ed: Or any ID for that matter?
    For driving on an expired or out-of-date license. You did say "hop in the car."
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Like it or not people are guaranteed the right to NOT have to live in the "modern world" of the Internet and jet travel. Not everyone needs an ID to live out their everyday lives. The Amish are an obvious example with no question as to their citizenship or moral qualifications but there are others.
    Do the Amish carry no IDs of any kind? What's your source for that?

    And besides, the Amish don't vote, and when they do, they tend to vote Republican. So if it's all a ploy to disenfranchise Democrat voters, then it isn't working well in that case.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    For driving on an expired or out-of-date license. You did say "hop in the car."
    Well, if you're going to get particular - did I say "driving the car"? Maybe it's my wife or daughter that's driving and I'm just along for the ride.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Well, if you're going to get particular - did I say "driving the car"? Maybe it's my wife or daughter that's driving and I'm just along for the ride.
    Oh, come on. That's not what you were talking about. You said this:

    Even all of us with our well documented lives can't just hop in the car on any random day and know we have "proper documentation".
    You meant people like you and me and the bulk of society. Don't try to pretend otherwise.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    oh-- just saw you were already refrred there and apparently it does not count.
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    I didn't say it "didn't count." I just pointed out problems with the methodology.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Do the Amish carry no IDs of any kind? What's your source for that?

    And besides, the Amish don't vote, and when they do, they tend to vote Republican. So if it's all a ploy to disenfranchise Democrat voters, then it isn't working well in that case.

    The Amish vote
    Avoid, avoid, avoid. Why is it you can't just face the issue?

    I don't care who they vote for - and neither should you. All I care about is whether they can vote at all. Y'all can take the partisan agendas (both sides!) and shove it for all I care. This is about changing the basics of society. Man, in another twenty years I can see someone just like you whining about people not being finger-printed and retina scanned. Hell, by then we may have genetic sequencers that are dirt cheap and you'll insist on that. (Ever see Gattaca?) You know, years ago when we all heard about the Russians having to carry papers everywhere they went we were appalled. Looks like we're ending up in the same damn place. It's sad and it's disgusting. Microchips at birth anyone??? - $500 cha-ching!



    As for my source, I can't remember either of their names, a coupe of Amish families we often buy produce from. We talk to them a little just to be friendly. No, I didn't ask them specifically but I'll be sure to discuss this with them in June when we see them again (at least I hope we do!). As far as I know they would have no reason to have an ID. They're farmer's and don't drive motorized vehicles. MO doesn't require a DL for carriages.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Avoid, avoid, avoid. Why is it you can't just face the issue?
    What am I "avoiding"? Have you shown that the Amish don't have IDs? No. You're just assuming they must not.

    The rest of it is just nonsensical jibber. "Gattaca," indeed.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What am I "avoiding"? Have you shown that the Amish don't have IDs? No. You're just assuming they must not.
    I'm new to the whole formal debate thing but wouldn't that be trying to prove a negative?
    I don't think you'll get any on-line links for it. Pretty sure the Amish don't have computers or the Internet. Of course, I can't prove that either so it must be a lie.



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    Even if I knew fifty of them didn't carry ID's - and could prove it - it wouldn't matter. You'd just say something like "Well, that's only 50 out of 150 million so who cares?"

    Who cares? YOU SHOULD.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Damn straight I can dictate people's choices in life. I don't accept people being idiots. People who choose to be idiots deserve whatever they get.
    If people don't measure up to your standards of not being an idiot then they should not be able to vote? I think that is a pretty idiotic stance, and I have pretty low expectations when it comes to the half of all Americans who have below average intelligence.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm new to the whole formal debate thing but wouldn't that be trying to prove a negative?
    I don't think you'll get any on-line links for it. Pretty sure the Amish don't have computers or the Internet. Of course, I can't prove that either so it must be a lie.

    Ed:
    Even if I knew fifty of them didn't carry ID's - and could prove it - it wouldn't matter. You'd just say something like "Well, that's only 50 out of 150 million so who cares?"

    Who cares? YOU SHOULD.
    Oh, calm down. I said nothing of the kind, and you have no idea what "I'd say." If you're going to get histrionic, there's no point in having a discussion at all.

    You keep bringing up the Amish as people who don't have IDs; it's perfectly reasonable to ask you how know this other than your own assumptions. It may be inconvenient to your argument, but it's perfectly reasonable.
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