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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    Your SS card is issued at birth, it is mailed, at least in recent years, directly to your parents. My kids both had theirs within a month or two of birth. There's no excuse for not having one.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Your SS card is issued at birth, it is mailed, at least in recent years, directly to your parents. My kids both had theirs within a month or two of birth. There's no excuse for not having one.
    As far as having a SS card goes, it is a very rare occurrence to run into someone without one. No excuse though? You can't dictate people's choices in life. Some people still set up housekeeping the old fashioned way where Mom stays home and Dad works. The Amish probably don't have much need for them, either.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    As far as having a SS card goes, it is a very rare occurrence to run into someone without one. No excuse though? You can't dictate people's choices in life. Some people still set up housekeeping the old fashioned way where Mom stays home and Dad works. The Amish probably don't have much need for them, either.
    Damn straight I can dictate people's choices in life. I don't accept people being idiots. People who choose to be idiots deserve whatever they get.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Damn straight I can dictate people's choices in life. I don't accept people being idiots. People who choose to be idiots deserve whatever they get.
    You would restrict religious freedom? That's sad, truly sad, that you think the Amish are being idiots.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The links taxigirl posted in #486 don't count? Why?
    Thank you for pointing it out.

    It's really only one link, because the one relies on the other.

    However, without knowing more (and that's all you get in a one-page summary), I would point out that the way the survey which found the 11% figure was constructed, I would have answered "no" for two days of last year as I was out of town for my birthday and came back into state and then renewed my license. I have also, as pretty much everyone has from time to time, carried drivers licenses for at least weeks, if not months, with previous addresses on them, which would also result in a "no" for that survey.

    Surely just about everyone can think of a time when they've done something similar.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Thank you for pointing it out.

    It's really only one link, because the one relies on the other.

    However, without knowing more (and that's all you get in a one-page summary), I would point out that the way the survey which found the 11% figure was constructed, I would have answered "no" for two days of last year as I was out of town for my birthday and came back into state and then renewed my license. I have also, as pretty much everyone has from time to time, carried drivers licenses for at least weeks, if not months, with previous addresses on them, which would also result in a "no" for that survey.

    Surely just about everyone can think of a time when they've done something similar.
    I think that's the whole point, though, isn't it? Even all of us with our well documented lives can't just hop in the car on any random day and know we have "proper documentation". Given that why would we expect everybody to be able to do so at any time? Some people aren't going to be well documented, that's just the way life is in America.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK, no one has any actual data, so let's go anecdotal.

    Does anyone specifically know anyone who doesn't have a photo ID? I don't.
    See post 486 this thread.
    oh-- just saw you were already refrred there and apparently it does not count.
    Being as I have lived in very some poor and rural areas, yes I know people who cannot get ID
    As my father is 90 I also know some of his pals who have never had ID.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I think that's the whole point, though, isn't it? Even all of us with our well documented lives can't just hop in the car on any random day and know we have "proper documentation". Given that why would we expect everybody to be able to do so at any time? Some people aren't going to be well documented, that's just the way life is in America.
    That's not any point at all. Being careless about keeping your ID up to date is totally on you. And yes, you can be sure; it's not like you don't know when it expires, and it's not like you don't know if you moved or not.

    I wouldn't be able to fly if I presented an expired drivers license. I know this, so I make sure it's current before I go anywhere. If I know I need a current license to vote, then I'll be sure to have it.

    It's not like you're not already required to have this stuff up to date anyway. You can be fined for not doing so.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    See post 486 this thread.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060254812
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's not any point at all. Being careless about keeping your ID up to date is totally on you. And yes, you can be sure; it's not like you don't know when it expires, and it's not like you don't know if you moved or not.

    I wouldn't be able to fly if I presented an expired drivers license. I know this, so I make sure it's current before I go anywhere. If I know I need a current license to vote, then I'll be sure to have it.

    It's not like you're not already required to have this stuff up to date anyway. You can be fined for not doing so.
    Who's going to fine an Amish farmer for not having a photo ID?

    Ed: Or any ID for that matter?


    Like it or not people are guaranteed the right to NOT have to live in the "modern world" of the Internet and jet travel. Not everyone needs an ID to live out their everyday lives. The Amish are an obvious example with no question as to their citizenship or moral qualifications but there are other groups as well.
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