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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Actually, the voting rate among the elderly is the highest of any age group. Pollster.com - Political Surveys and Election Polls, Trends, Charts and Analysis

    But you could substitute anyone who is poor, doesn't own a car, and lives a good ways from the capital.

    Regardless, you can't just look at the burden that's being imposed in isolation. You have to look at the degree of the burden RELATIVE TO the degree of the problem that it's being imposed to address. And since there is absolutely no indication that voter impersonation is a real problem, there is no justification for an even modest inconvenience.
    STOP RIGHT THERE sir. I did. And I did not proceed a word further than your facetious link. I say facetious because it has nothing to do with what I said and is not germane.

    I made a comment about the specific "old infirm ill" that you are worried about won't be able to get a photo ID and you are coming back to me with the redundant well known fact that elderly people vote the most? Why you can't follow the conversation? Instead of digging in your heels and doubling down on your inconvenience argument, address the comments I made. Don't ignore them, you might not care to admit that states have "hardship" laws but it is going to get called out in a forum like this.

    Also, we already have one Boo Radley character that predicates just about all his arguments with "you can't" and "you have to" and it is trite and not terribly effective. Obvious as all hell too with no place in any kind of "debate" even at the primary school level. That said, you just can't "quote" my comments and then ignore them while just doubling down on your stance while posting links to data that has nothing to do with what was being discussed. Well you can do that, go the hack route if you want, but I don't recommend it and I will call you out on it.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    I made a comment about the specific "old infirm ill" that you are worried about won't be able to get a photo ID and you are coming back to me with the redundant well known fact that elderly people vote the most? Why you can't follow the conversation? Instead of digging in your heels and doubling down on your inconvenience argument, address the comments I made. Don't ignore them, you might not care to admit that states have "hardship" laws but it is going to get called out in a forum like this.
    What states have hardship laws that will assist people with getting ID and getting to the polls?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    STOP RIGHT THERE sir. I did. And I did not proceed a word further than your facetious link. I say facetious because it has nothing to do with what I said and is not germane.

    I made a comment about the specific "old infirm ill" that you are worried about won't be able to get a photo ID and you are coming back to me with the redundant well known fact that elderly people vote the most? Why you can't follow the conversation? Instead of digging in your heels and doubling down on your inconvenience argument, address the comments I made. Don't ignore them, you might not care to admit that states have "hardship" laws but it is going to get called out in a forum like this.

    Also, we already have one Boo Radley character that predicates just about all his arguments with "you can't" and "you have to" and it is trite and not terribly effective. Obvious as all hell too with no place in any kind of "debate" even at the primary school level. That said, you just can't "quote" my comments and then ignore them while just doubling down on your stance while posting links to data that has nothing to do with what was being discussed. Well you can do that, go the hack route if you want, but I don't recommend it and I will call you out on it.
    Well that's ironic, given that you apparently didn't even read my entire post. As I said, you could as well substitute poor and without transportation and the argument would still hold. Further, you provided NO SUPPORT for your assertion that the old and infirm don't vote in large numbers. So I countered your zero evidence with *some* evidence, an alternative scenario, and an overriding argument that you ignored completely. So spare me the "hack" nonsense, at least until you can come up with an argument worthy of the name.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I got mine when I started working, too. No proof of anything IIRC. I think I used my HS library card or something. So, you had to show your BC to the SSA? What's with the on-line application then?
    I'm not eligible for SS myself, but my wife had to send in her BC in order to prove her age.

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    Never needed a replacement. I carried my card for a few years then put it in a box along with some other old stuff I knew I'd keep. I haven't seen my SS card for years but I've still got it - probably in the fire box with our insurance policies and car titles.
    Better keep that card in a safe place. The unscrupulous can use it to steal identities.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie, replying to another View Post
    [...] So apparently what the argument you are making comes down to is, it is a inconvenience. Lesson #1: Life is tough not fair.
    What is your reason for imposing the inconvenience? For making life tougher for the elderly?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    What is your reason for imposing the inconvenience? For making life tougher for the elderly?
    No, no, imposing inconveniences on others when one does not have any is obviously what Christ taught and Reagan wanted.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    OK, no one has any actual data, so let's go anecdotal.

    Does anyone specifically know anyone who doesn't have a photo ID? I don't.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not eligible for SS myself, but my wife had to send in her BC in order to prove her age.

    Better keep that card in a safe place. The unscrupulous can use it to steal identities.
    And she had her SS card for decades and was contributing?


    20-25 years ago MO wanted to use our SSN as our license#, but we could opt out for a random number, which I did. About a decade after adopting that nonsense they went back to random numbers for everyone - go figure. I even argued with UMKC when they wanted my SSN but they gave me a choice, SSN or no classes. I've always been against using our SSN as a national ID number just on principle so, yes, I'm pretty picky about it.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK, no one has any actual data, so let's go anecdotal.

    Does anyone specifically know anyone who doesn't have a photo ID? I don't.
    The links taxigirl posted in #486 don't count? Why?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I've had the same SS card since I was at least in elemenatry school. I literally can't remember when or how I got it.
    Your SS card is issued at birth, it is mailed, at least in recent years, directly to your parents. My kids both had theirs within a month or two of birth. There's no excuse for not having one.
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