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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I assume their SS cards are/were sufficient but I can't say that as fact, I haven't gotten there, yet. I do know a friend that worked for SSA for decades, I'll write her an e-mail and ask. It may take a couple of days for a response, or it could be this afternoon - depends on what she's got going on.

    I did find this, though: Apply Online for Retirement Benefits: Boldly Go Online to Retire - It's So Easy
    Having attained seasoned citizen status myself, I can tell you that the SS card is not enough. Moreover, SS cards used to be issued when the individual started working for wages, not when he/she was born, so there is no proof of age there.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I've had the same SS card since I was at least in elemenatry school. I literally can't remember when or how I got it.
    Your mother got it for you, with a copy of your birth certificate in hand.

    That's how I got mine, and it was the same process for my three kids.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Isn't it kind of ironic -- and doesn't it make this whole thing rather absurd -- that you can get a photo ID without having a photo ID?
    Actually no it is neither ironic nor absurd. Nice that you want to keep things light, but of course nobody is born with a wet photo ID in hand dripping with placenta. A few years ago a home near mine burned and it took down my home with it too. Fortunately I had good insurance and came through the ordeal fairly well. One thing I did lose was all my ID's from state DL and ID to SS card birth certificate, etc. I had to go to some length to get them all replaced, at that time I had to drive to my states capital (could have taken to bus too) to get a copy of my "state" birth certificate, in order to get a new SS card and IDs. It was a minor inconvenience but surmountable none the less, which is why I have little sympathy for the rather silly arguments about people not being able to get an ID. It is inexpensive and it is not terribly difficult to do, if you are who you say you are and have a right to have those things in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I assume their SS cards are/were sufficient but I can't say that as fact, I haven't gotten there, yet. I do know a friend that worked for SSA for decades, I'll write her an e-mail and ask. It may take a couple of days for a response, or it could be this afternoon - depends on what she's got going on.

    I did find this, though: Apply Online for Retirement Benefits: Boldly Go Online to Retire - It's So Easy
    The SS administration requires at least a state certified birth certificate to get a new copy of your SS card issued, as I learned first hand a few years back.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Nice that you want to keep things light, but of course nobody is born with a wet photo ID in hand dripping with placenta.
    LOL! and a good thing, too. Few adults are recognizable from a photo taken at birth.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Actually no it is neither ironic nor absurd. Nice that you want to keep things light, but of course nobody is born with a wet photo ID in hand dripping with placenta. A few years ago a home near mine burned and it took down my home with it too. Fortunately I had good insurance and came through the ordeal fairly well. One thing I did lose was all my ID's from state DL and ID to SS card birth certificate, etc. I had to go to some length to get them all replaced, at that time I had to drive to my states capital (could have taken to bus too) to get a copy of my "state" birth certificate, in order to get a new SS card and IDs. It was a minor inconvenience but surmountable none the less, which is why I have little sympathy for the rather silly arguments about people not being able to get an ID. It is inexpensive and it is not terribly difficult to do, if you are who you say you are and have a right to have those things in the first place.


    The SS administration requires at least a state certified birth certificate to get a new copy of your SS card issued, as I learned first hand a few years back.
    I think it would have been more than a minor inconvenience if, say, you lived 500 miles from the state capital and were old, infirm, didn't own a car, and could ill afford to take a long bus trip and pay for a hotel to stay overnight in the state capital.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I think it would have been more than a minor inconvenience if, say, you lived 500 miles from the state capital and were old, infirm, didn't own a car, and could ill afford to take a long bus trip and pay for a hotel to stay overnight in the state capital.
    And yet that is still the process.

    Quote Originally Posted by "ss.gov
    We can accept only certain documents as proof of U.S. citizenship. These include a U.S. birth certificate, U.S. consular report of birth, U.S. passport, Certificate of Naturalization or Certificate of Citizenship.

    Identity

    We can accept only certain documents as proof of identity. An acceptable document must be current (not expired) and show your name, identifying information (date of birth or age) and preferably a recent photograph. For example, as proof of identity Social Security must see your:

    U.S. driver’s license;
    State-issued nondriver identification card; or
    U.S. passport.

    If you do not have one of these specific documents or you cannot get a replacement for one of them within 10 days, we will ask to see other documents, including:

    Employee ID card;
    School ID card;
    Health insurance card (not a Medicare card); or
    U.S. military ID card.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I think it would have been more than a minor inconvenience if, say, you lived 500 miles from the state capital and were old, infirm, didn't own a car, and could ill afford to take a long bus trip and pay for a hotel to stay overnight in the state capital.
    Which is the reason I now keep my bc and other documents in a fire proof safe, to avoid the inconvenience. Of course the voting rate of the "old infirm ill" is by definition almost non existent, so that argument is one of those silly ones I was talking about. Yet even if one is old infirm and ill and needing a team of doctors nurses and life sustaining transport to get to the voting precinct but does not have photo ID, there are "hardship" exceptions that make it possible to get one. So apparently what the argument you are making comes down to is, it is a inconvenience. Lesson #1: Life is tough not fair.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    LOL! and a good thing, too. Few adults are recognizable from a photo taken at birth.
    Not if they live long enough, quite often they begin to just resemble that old photo plus wrinkles and age spots!

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Which is the reason I now keep my bc and other documents in a fire proof safe, to avoid the inconvenience. Of course the voting rate of the "old infirm ill" is by definition almost non existent, so that argument is one of those silly ones I was talking about. Yet even if one is old infirm and ill and needing a team of doctors nurses and life sustaining transport to get to the voting precinct but does not have photo ID, there are "hardship" exceptions that make it possible to get one. So apparently what the argument you are making comes down to is, it is a inconvenience. Lesson #1: Life is tough not fair.
    Actually, the voting rate among the elderly is the highest of any age group. Pollster.com - Political Surveys and Election Polls, Trends, Charts and Analysis

    But you could substitute anyone who is poor, doesn't own a car, and lives a good ways from the capital.

    Regardless, you can't just look at the burden that's being imposed in isolation. You have to look at the degree of the burden RELATIVE TO the degree of the problem that it's being imposed to address. And since there is absolutely no indication that voter impersonation is a real problem, there is no justification for an even modest inconvenience.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Having attained seasoned citizen status myself, I can tell you that the SS card is not enough. Moreover, SS cards used to be issued when the individual started working for wages, not when he/she was born, so there is no proof of age there.
    I got mine when I started working, too. No proof of anything IIRC. I think I used my HS library card or something. So, you had to show your BC to the SSA? What's with the on-line application then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    The SS administration requires at least a state certified birth certificate to get a new copy of your SS card issued, as I learned first hand a few years back.
    Never needed a replacement. I carried my card for a few years then put it in a box along with some other old stuff I knew I'd keep. I haven't seen my SS card for years but I've still got it - probably in the fire box with our insurance policies and car titles.
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