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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    There were plenty of regulations but perhaps they were the wrong regulations. When the government became involved in deciding who should get mortgages, despite their economic status, perhaps that was a regulation too far.
    And we'll just ignore that the program had been around for decades without ever causing even a slight recession - let alone an economic meltdown.

    Com'on, you and I both know the banks saw a chance to makes the big $$$ and jumped all over it. I refinanced my home in 2003 because the rates had come down so far I just couldn't pass them up. I didn't go to a regular bank, I went to a reseller who made the loans and sold them almost before the ink was dry. They did a quick credit check, looked up the county's assessment for the house on the Internet, and drew up the papers. (Sure wasn't that simple 4 years earlier when I refinanced.) All that reseller wanted was their $1000+ origination fee and get us in and out as fast as possible. That's not banking, that's McD's for Wall St. - except the burgers were all fat and no meat.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    Understood - thanks for providing the info!

    I guess I really am sexist to some extent, the maiden/married name thing never crossed my mind though I now remember my daughter complaining about changing all her stuff over when she got married.
    Unfortunately, that's just a paperwork issue and if anyone really cared about it, they could easily get it done. That's what I have a problem with, every one of these people who have no "access to documents" could have them in their hands if they wanted them. They just don't think it matters. Whose fault is that? The link provided said "could you provide this information tomorrow?" Well the election isn't tomorrow. It's not like anyone hides it, they know how much time they have to get their ducks in a row before November. If they choose not to, whose fault is that?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    Unfortunately, that's just a paperwork issue and if anyone really cared about it, they could easily get it done. That's what I have a problem with, every one of these people who have no "access to documents" could have them in their hands if they wanted them. They just don't think it matters. Whose fault is that? The link provided said "could you provide this information tomorrow?" Well the election isn't tomorrow. It's not like anyone hides it, they know how much time they have to get their ducks in a row before November. If they choose not to, whose fault is that?
    It's easy for you and me to say things like that but it's not "just paperwork" if you don't have the money for it or transportation to get it done. My biggest gripe is for older people. We talk about cutting back more on SS benefits then we say, "Ah $15 and a couple of cab rides, what's that?" Well, that's a couple of week's worth of groceries to a retired person, that's what it is.

    But, hey, the SC review of the Indiana case said those people are basically hosed, that they will have to decide whether they want to eat normally for two weeks or vote. OK, if that's what the Law-of-the-Land is then that's they way it is. I hope some charities will step up and help out those old people so they can keep doing what they've been doing for the past 50 years.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It's easy for you and me to say things like that but it's not "just paperwork" if you don't have the money for it or transportation to get it done. My biggest gripe is for older people. We talk about cutting back more on SS benefits then we say, "Ah $15 and a couple of cab rides, what's that?" Well, that's a couple of week's worth of groceries to a retired person, that's what it is.

    But, hey, the SC review of the Indiana case said those people are basically hosed, that they will have to decide whether they want to eat normally for two weeks or vote. OK, if that's what the Law-of-the-Land is then that's they way it is. I hope some charities will step up and help out those old people so they can keep doing what they've been doing for the past 50 years.
    If those old people don't have ID, how did they get their SS and Medicare? You don't get SS without proof of age.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    If those old people don't have ID, how did they get their SS and Medicare? You don't get SS without proof of age.
    I've had the same SS card since I was at least in elemenatry school. I literally can't remember when or how I got it.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I've had the same SS card since I was at least in elemenatry school. I literally can't remember when or how I got it.
    The SS card has become a Big Brother ID number at this point, and so is issued at birth so that BB can keep track of you from that point. I got mine back in '57 or '58, when I got my first job.

    When you reach the age of 65, or whatever it will have to be raised to in order to keep SS solvent without actually paying back the money that has been borrowed from it, they you will have to show that you're old enough to start getting checks.

    So, keep a copy of that BC.

    Moreover, you may be elected president, and have to show you weren't born in Kenya.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The SS card has become a Big Brother ID number at this point, and so is issued at birth so that BB can keep track of you from that point. I got mine back in '57 or '58, when I got my first job.

    When you reach the age of 65, or whatever it will have to be raised to in order to keep SS solvent without actually paying back the money that has been borrowed from it, they you will have to show that you're old enough to start getting checks.

    So, keep a copy of that BC.

    Moreover, you may be elected president, and have to show you weren't born in Kenya.
    Isn't it kind of ironic -- and doesn't it make this whole thing rather absurd -- that you can get a photo ID without having a photo ID?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If those old people don't have ID, how did they get their SS and Medicare? You don't get SS without proof of age.
    Maybe they don't get it?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Isn't it kind of ironic -- and doesn't it make this whole thing rather absurd -- that you can get a photo ID without having a photo ID?
    True enough. In fact, you can get several photo IDs, all with different names.

    Still, that would be a lot of trouble and expense to go to just to be able to vote more than once.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If those old people don't have ID, how did they get their SS and Medicare? You don't get SS without proof of age.
    I assume their SS cards are/were sufficient but I can't say that as fact, I haven't gotten there, yet. I do know a friend that worked for SSA for decades, I'll write her an e-mail and ask. It may take a couple of days for a response, or it could be this afternoon - depends on what she's got going on.

    I did find this, though: Apply Online for Retirement Benefits: Boldly Go Online to Retire - It's So Easy
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