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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Unlikely, since it would make the report exceedingly stupid for calling foreigners "Americans" and "citizens"
    The report is worded pretty stupidly. It says nothing. Why is it that 15 million couldn't prove they were citizens?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    In MO I wouldn't need the SS card - but it's not good enough for proof of date of birth/place of birth as required.
    To get a MO State ID card I would need my birth certificate.

    Here's the MO State home page, it's on there, have a ball - there's a search box at the top:

    MO.gov | Official Website of the State of Missouri
    Here we go again......You DO NOT need a state I.D. card to register to vote. You need absolutely nothing.

    You do not need to provide identification to register. However, you will be required to show ID at the polls or provide ID with your absentee ballot.

    Now, when you show up you need as little as an utility bill.

    •A copy of a current utility bill

    But for most, the voter registration card will likely suffice that you would get when you register.

    •ID issued by the state of Missouri, an agency of the state, or a local election authority of the state

    Even then, just like Florida, you can show up with absolutely nothing and still vote.

    Do we have to do this with all 50 states?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Here we go again......You DO NOT need a state I.D. card to register to vote. You need absolutely nothing.
    I'm well aware of the laws here in the wonderful State of Missouri. When I got my license ~40 years ago I didn't need anything to prove who I was except my paper library card from high school. When my daughter got hers 30 years later she needed a birth certificate. Somewhere in between those times the law changed - probably ~1980 when we were revising all the Statutes.

    The post you initially responded to (that starts off "Getting the ID takes documentation") was my response to an on-going side discussion I was having with Dittohead Not! about the added cost of obtaining a photo ID even if the State didn't charge for the ID itself. See posts #424/428/429/etc. I'm sorry you were confused.

    I never said anyone needed a photo ID to vote (or register to vote) in Missouri because I sure as hell know better from years of experience living with it; Internet research not required. Missouri issues stiff paper voter ID cards for free and sent by mail to confirm the address. (Mine's 15+ years old from the last time we moved.) You can present those (which I did the first time so I could check the info on it), or your DL/other photo ID (which most use except older people, who often use their card), and yes I even saw a woman use her electric bill once because she happened to pick up the mail on the way out that morning and she didn't want to retrieve her DL from the car. I've never personally witnesses someone who had to resort to the sign and sign routine.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    If not the ACLU then pick your source. Several other organizations have filed suit as well, people were turned away from the polls because they did not have ID. Some people cannot get ID because of lacking Birth Certificates for various reasons, lacking transportation to get somewhere to get ID, etc...
    Cry us a river, wahahahahahaha. Woe is me I have no car, no bus, no train, no plane. A poor sack like that has more important concerns than voting, like their next meal or a place to sleep. Get a clue.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Cry us a river, wahahahahahaha. Woe is me I have no car, no bus, no train, no plane. A poor sack like that has more important concerns than voting, like their next meal or a place to sleep. Get a clue.
    Perhaps they could vote for someone who wishes to regulate the economy in a proper manner that they may garner employment, assistance, etc.
    Wouldn't that be insane? /s

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    [...] Even then, just like Florida, you can show up with absolutely nothing and still vote.
    Even assuming your claim is correct, not on Sunday.

    Florida has eliminated early voting on the last Sunday before Election Day.

    According to the study, African-American voters -- and to a lesser extent, Hispanic voters -- vote on Sundays at a proportionately larger rate than white voters.

    New Voting Laws in Florida and 13 Other States May Affect 5 Million Eligible Voters, Study Says - Broward/Palm Beach News - The Daily Pulp
    Come on... we all know what's going on here.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Do we have to do this with all 50 states?
    Sure. You've got everything to lose

    3.2 million voters affected by new photo ID laws. New photo ID laws for voting will be in effect for the 2012 election in five states (Kansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Wisconsin), [...]

    240,000 additional citizens and potential voters affected by new proof of citizenship laws. New proof of citizenship laws will be in effect in three states (Alabama, Kansas, Tennessee), two of which will also have new photo ID laws. [...]

    http://brennan.3cdn.net/34876f1cabd6..._kwm6id7l7.pdf
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl, in post 444 View Post
    [...]
    In 2011, 34 states introduced legislation requiring voters to show government-issued photo identification before voting [...]

    Voter ID laws keep citizens from voting | The Colorado Independent
    Come on... we all know what's going on here.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry, replying to Karl View Post
    The report is worded pretty stupidly. It says nothing. Why is it that 15 million couldn't prove they were citizens?
    Have you considered the possibility that the fault is not with the report?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    I can't help but wonder about all those old people who lack birth certificates and ID: How do they get their Social Security and Medicare?

    Sooner or later, everyone needs to have a BC anyway. How else do we know who is a citizen and who is not?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    So . . . no one has any actual data on how many people don't have photo IDs, and who/where they are?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Perhaps they could vote for someone who wishes to regulate the economy in a proper manner that they may garner employment, assistance, etc.
    Wouldn't that be insane? /s

    Why stop there? Just vote someone in that will have the balls to say that he is nationalizing all business in America, private property will now be taken and distributed among the proletariat (er, ummm) I mean the people. And income will now all derive in the form of a monthly stipend from the US Treasury.....

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