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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You have a S.S. card.
    Most states require both
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law - chicagotribune.com





    We have gone through so many years in the United States without Voter ID laws, and we now suddenly need them? Voter fraud is not something that is not common in the United States and this seems like an attempt to disenfranchise certain sets of voters.
    As usual when the topic of voter ID laws comes up, up comes the "disenfranchised" argument and as usual the actual definition of the word "disenfranchised" goes right out the window. What was it, just weeks ago when we had just this topic kicked around and around and the whole "disenfranchised" argument thoroughly debunked? Why yes it was, anyone wishing to avoid a rehash might care to peruse the 800 plus arguments had therein................

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...o-id-vote.html

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Most states require both
    We just went through this. A claim was made with no verification. When pushed for verification an apology was offered when the claim proved wrong.

    So.....Link?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Everyone who has bothered to educate themself on this issue knows what's going on here... and it has zero to do with voter fraud.

    Brendan Fischer [of the Center for Media and Democracy] explained, "Voter ID. in your state and a lot of other states is not something that is necessarily being created by the people you elected." The watchdog group says almost every voter ID bill in the nation shares common elements to a template that's provided by the group, American Legislative Exchange Council -- or "ALEC" for short. ALEC calls itself a "Non-partisan membership association for conservative lawmakers who share a common belief". The group includes support from the controversial billionaire Koch brothers and other huge names in corporate America. [...] The watchdog group says ALEC is writing many of the hot bills our lawmakers claim as their own. "These think tanks essentially hand state legislatures changes to our laws that they desire," Fischer added.

    Action 3 News's Liz Dorland has studied both Iowa and Nebraska's proposed Voter ID bills and both hit on every single point in the ALEC template for "Voter ID Act" that is provided by ALEC Exposed. The co-sponsor of Iowa's bill is Senator Linda Upmeyer. She has clear ties to ALEC- in fact, she's the Treasurer.

    Investigation: Just Who Is Behind Voter ID? - www.kmtv.com
    While identification requirements for voting are certainly not new, many states have prohibited once-acceptable identification such as student IDs, Social Security cards, utility bills and bank statements in favor of the “strict” or government-issued photo IDs. In 2011, 34 states introduced legislation requiring voters to show government-issued photo identification before voting [ALEC at work, I'd say -- Karl]. Seven states–including Alabama, Kansas and Wisconsin–enacted the laws. Before that, only two states had so-called strict ID requirements in order to vote. [...]

    A 2006 report by the Brennan Center [...] [notes] that laws requiring documents such as a birth certificate or proof of naturalization before registering to vote create an impenetrable barrier for millions of Americans. The center found that 7 percent of Americans did not have access to citizenship documents. If that figure holds true today, it amounts to 15 million adult citizens who can’t readily produce proof of citizenship.

    Voter ID laws keep citizens from voting | The Colorado Independent
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    The center found that 7 percent of Americans did not have access to citizenship documents. If that figure holds true today, it amounts to 15 million adult citizens who can’t readily produce proof of citizenship.

    Could it possibly be because they are not citizens?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The center found that 7 percent of Americans did not have access to citizenship documents. If that figure holds true today, it amounts to 15 million adult citizens who canít readily produce proof of citizenship.
    Could it possibly be because they are not citizens?
    Unlikely, since it would make the report exceedingly stupid for calling foreigners "Americans" and "citizens"

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You have an ass-backward view of this. It's like saying that a criminal code doesn't prohibit murder -- it just says that if you DO choose to exercise your right to murder, you have to spend the rest of your life in jail.
    You could look at it that way, I guess. The fact remains, however, that there is no guarantee of a right to vote in the Constitution, and the fact the fourteenth amendment provides for (but does not prohibit) abridging voting rights should be proof enough.

    But maybe the words in front of you aren't proof enough for you.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    You could look at it that way, I guess. The fact remains, however, that there is no guarantee of a right to vote in the Constitution, and the fact the fourteenth amendment provides for (but does not prohibit) abridging voting rights should be proof enough.

    But maybe the words in front of you aren't proof enough for you.
    The Supreme Court has a different view, which is proof enough for me.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Most states require both
    In MO I wouldn't need the SS card - but it's not good enough for proof of date of birth/place of birth as required.
    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    You have a S.S. card.
    To get a MO State ID card I would need my birth certificate.

    Here's the MO State home page, it's on there, have a ball - there's a search box at the top:

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The Supreme Court has a different view
    Funny, you haven't shown that. Once again, please point to the clause in the Constitution that guarantees a blanket right to vote. This is, and always has been, the challenge that remains unfulfilled.

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