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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This.

    Overall, the ACLU performs a valuable service. They take on difficult issues from all perspectives, not just some as they are often vilified in the press for doing. However, I agree with Chiefgator here, they are off-the-mark on this one.

    Having said that, I have become recently convinced that the true motive for many of the new-ish voting laws the Reps are putting forth are indeed intended to discourage liberal voters, and I oppose pretty much all of the more "creative" laws. I have no qualms at all with a simple ID requirement.

    Yes, I know it's hard for older people in some areas to obtain an ID. No birth records, and so on. But, it can be done. You're how old and you still haven't gotten an ID? C'mon, there has to be some level of personal responsibility involved as well for people who want to take part in the system.
    Scrutiny of new law is never a bad thing. If nothing else I think just bringing up these issues will shape the laws that are being crafted. The States wanting photo ID may decide in view of the national and ACLU attention to issue free ID's as needed, which would most likely sidestep any challenge.

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    I've already said there aren't any. You'd have to ask someone who thinks otherwise.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    A first for me yesterday. I have been voting for forty years and was never asked for ID. Well, it happened yesterday. I went to vote in the Michigan primary and was asked for ID. I was out on a six mile run and do not carry ID when I run. I was allowed to sign a form stating that I was who I said I was under penalty of a fine if I was lying. I did ask what form of ID they wanted and they said a drivers license was preferred but they would take "almost anything" that had my name on it.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    A first for me yesterday. I have been voting for forty years and was never asked for ID. Well, it happened yesterday. I went to vote in the Michigan primary and was asked for ID. I was out on a six mile run and do not carry ID when I run. I was allowed to sign a form stating that I was who I said I was under penalty of a fine if I was lying. I did ask what form of ID they wanted and they said a drivers license was preferred but they would take "almost anything" that had my name on it.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    I don't think that is a widespread perception at all. It's a perception that Republicans are trying to spread in order to pass these laws that would suppress Democratic turnout.
    What makes you think it would only suppress the Democratic turnout?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A first for me yesterday. I have been voting for forty years and was never asked for ID. Well, it happened yesterday. I went to vote in the Michigan primary and was asked for ID. I was out on a six mile run and do not carry ID when I run. I was allowed to sign a form stating that I was who I said I was under penalty of a fine if I was lying. I did ask what form of ID they wanted and they said a drivers license was preferred but they would take "almost anything" that had my name on it.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What makes you think it would only suppress the Democratic turnout?
    That's a darn good question, but it seems to me that even the Republicans think it would. That's the only way I could explain their rabid support for it.


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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That's a darn good question, but it seems to me that even the Republicans think it would. That's the only way I could explain their rabid support for it.
    If the Republicans are right, then that does raise some questions about voters who habitually vote the straight Democratic ticket, it seems to me. Of course, on the other hand, there isn't much good to say about voters who vote straight Republican ticket either. Neither one is doing much independent thinking.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    What makes you think it would only suppress the Democratic turnout?
    Assuming these laws would have a greater impact on the poor, which seems logical:

    2008 Presidential Election- Voting by Income
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Assuming these laws would have a greater impact on the poor, which seems logical:

    2008 Presidential Election- Voting by Income
    Could be, but that seems like a big assumption if the states are willing to issue voter ID free of charge.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If the Republicans are right, then that does raise some questions about voters who habitually vote the straight Democratic ticket, it seems to me. Of course, on the other hand, there isn't much good to say about voters who vote straight Republican ticket either. Neither one is doing much independent thinking.

    Never have, never will I think.

    My personal feeling on this is that it'll be something like Citizens United: It'll pass in a few states, the Republicans will cheer and take credit for "ending voter fraud." Democrats will launch an effort to make sure people have a photo ID, and end up winning an election. Republicans will piss and moan about how this devious program resulted in Democratic victory and start trying to come up with something else.


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