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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I fail to see the logic in your statement. Is freedom from slavery not a fundamental right because the Constitution was amended to prohibit it?
    There's no such thing as a fundamental right, so your question is moot.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    There's no such thing as a fundamental right, so your question is moot.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Keep'em movin'!

    You're the only one here who keeps claiming it's a fundamental right. We've pointed out to you that this supposed "fundamental right" keeps changing. So tell us, was it fundamental when only white, land-owning males could vote? Or was it fundamental when blacks got to vote? Or when women got to vote? Pick one.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're the only one here who keeps claiming it's a fundamental right. We've pointed out to you that this supposed "fundamental right" keeps changing. So tell us, was it fundamental when only white, land-owning males could vote? Or was it fundamental when blacks got to vote? Or when women got to vote? Pick one.
    Not to get into this part of the debate too much but I have to ask - were slaves allowed guns?

    (Honest question, I don't know and didn't research.)
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Not to get into this part of the debate too much but I have to ask - were slaves allowed guns?
    Nope. But then again, gun ownership isn't a fundamental right either.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nope. But then again, gun ownership isn't a fundamental right either.
    Hit the deck! LOL!

    Then what exactly IS a "fundamental right"? (examples may be better than words here)
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Hit the deck! LOL!

    Then what exactly IS a "fundamental right"? (examples may be better than words here)
    I've already said there aren't any. You'd have to ask someone who thinks otherwise.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I am a supporter of the ACLU, but I think they are missing the mark on this one.
    Insisting on a photo ID is not an unreasonable requirement. People simply cannot interact in the modern world without a photo ID.
    This.

    Overall, the ACLU performs a valuable service. They take on difficult issues from all perspectives, not just some as they are often vilified in the press for doing. However, I agree with Chiefgator here, they are off-the-mark on this one.

    Having said that, I have become recently convinced that the true motive for many of the new-ish voting laws the Reps are putting forth are indeed intended to discourage liberal voters, and I oppose pretty much all of the more "creative" laws. I have no qualms at all with a simple ID requirement.

    Yes, I know it's hard for older people in some areas to obtain an ID. No birth records, and so on. But, it can be done. You're how old and you still haven't gotten an ID? C'mon, there has to be some level of personal responsibility involved as well for people who want to take part in the system.

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