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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Unfortunately that clearly works against your argument. There is a constitutional right to vote and if a state violates that right, then the state will be punished by having its representation diminished.
    No. You're just so... wrong. If it were a protected right, the Constitution would say that the right to vote cannot be abridged. Section 2 of the 14th amendment doesn't enshrine a right to vote, it simply lays out how a state will be represented in Congress. Denial of voting rights to any subset of the population that would otherwise be eligible to vote results in a reduction in representation. Nowhere does it say a state cannot abridge voting rights, save the few exceptions covered by three other amendments that have already been mentioned. The situation is quite the contrary: a state clearly can deny voting rights, so long as they are willing to accept the reduction in representation.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    No. You're just so... wrong. If it were a protected right, the Constitution would say that the right to vote cannot be abridged. Section 2 of the 14th amendment doesn't enshrine a right to vote, it simply lays out how a state will be represented in Congress. Denial of voting rights to any subset of the population that would otherwise be eligible to vote results in a reduction in representation. Nowhere does it say a state cannot abridge voting rights, save the few exceptions covered by three other amendments that have already been mentioned. The situation is quite the contrary: a state clearly can deny voting rights, so long as they are willing to accept the reduction in representation.
    I especially love the fact that the federal government *DID* abridge voting rights for slaves (and former slaves) for many years and apparently, it was entirely fine. So much for a fundamental right to vote.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    No. You're just so... wrong. If it were a protected right, the Constitution would say that the right to vote cannot be abridged. Section 2 of the 14th amendment doesn't enshrine a right to vote, it simply lays out how a state will be represented in Congress. Denial of voting rights to any subset of the population that would otherwise be eligible to vote results in a reduction in representation. Nowhere does it say a state cannot abridge voting rights, save the few exceptions covered by three other amendments that have already been mentioned. The situation is quite the contrary: a state clearly can deny voting rights, so long as they are willing to accept the reduction in representation.
    You have an ass-backward view of this. It's like saying that a criminal code doesn't prohibit murder -- it just says that if you DO choose to exercise your right to murder, you have to spend the rest of your life in jail.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I especially love the fact that the federal government *DID* abridge voting rights for slaves (and former slaves) for many years and apparently, it was entirely fine. So much for a fundamental right to vote.
    You realize that the Constitution was amended to address slavery, right?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not even close.

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    How is it different?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Welcome to reality. You show your ID to lots of people. Write a check or use a credit card, grt pulled over, etc. You have to establish your identity. Deal wirh it.
    I have written many checks as well as used my credit card and not one person in the last two years has asked to see my ID. When I got pulled over 3 years ago, I had forgot my ID at home in my wallet. The officer simply looked up my name and address and low and behold a picture.

    So, the reality is, you don't need to have your ID. DEAL WITH IT.

    It's amazing how so called conservatives can lay a claim to wanting freedom, when they support measures that enslave people to less freedom.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I have written many checks as well as used my credit card and not one person in the last two years has asked to see my ID. When I got pulled over 3 years ago, I had forgot my ID at home in my wallet. The officer simply looked up my name and address and low and behold a picture.

    So, the reality is, you don't need to have your ID. DEAL WITH IT.

    It's amazing how so called conservatives can lay a claim to wanting freedom, when they support measures that enslave people to less freedom.

    LOL...the last time I showed my DL to anyone was about 5 or 6 years ago when I decided to put garage doors on my barn. I had to special order them from Lowe's and when they came in I was asked for my ID. Funny, they didn't ask for it when I ordered them and paid with a credit card. I use credit cards and debit cards all the time, rather than carry cash and don't get asked for ID.

    When these rash of suppressive laws were first proposed and we started discussing them here, I had to check mine to see if it was still valid (it expires next year). Millions of voter eligible people don't have photo ID's, proof positive that you don't have to have one to live in the U.S.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You realize that the Constitution was amended to address slavery, right?
    Sure, just as it was amended for women. The point is, for this "fundamental right" to have to have been amended several times in order for various groups to have it, it's not much of a "fundamental right" is it?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I have written many checks as well as used my credit card and not one person in the last two years has asked to see my ID. When I got pulled over 3 years ago, I had forgot my ID at home in my wallet. The officer simply looked up my name and address and low and behold a picture.

    So, the reality is, you don't need to have your ID. DEAL WITH IT.

    It's amazing how so called conservatives can lay a claim to wanting freedom, when they support measures that enslave people to less freedom.
    But it seems you did have ID, and needed it.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sure, just as it was amended for women. The point is, for this "fundamental right" to have to have been amended several times in order for various groups to have it, it's not much of a "fundamental right" is it?
    I fail to see the logic in your statement. Is freedom from slavery not a fundamental right because the Constitution was amended to prohibit it?

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