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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Sorry, I was trying to cut and paste etc.. from my kindle while I was falling asleep.
    Here the text on HJ Res 28 hopefully that works. You can also see a bit about it at Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr's website He introduces it every session, I don't think the link above is the current submission, but it has the same text.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes....you must show your papers. PAPERS PLEASE ! ! !
    Not even close.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Interesting, the Democrats and now the ACLU think that voter ID is bad. Voter ID laws are intended to fight voter fraud. Makes you wonder what the liberals know about where their votes come from that the rest of us should be paying attention to.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes....you must show your papers. PAPERS PLEASE ! ! !
    Welcome to reality. You show your ID to lots of people. Write a check or use a credit card, grt pulled over, etc. You have to establish your identity. Deal wirh it.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK. What does this show? It's a proposed Amendment which has been introduced many times but never passed, let alone ratified.
    it is what I said, a Hypothetical.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The 14th Amerndment is not on point, as it addresses a state's representation in Congress, but does not in any way limit an individual's right to vote.
    The fourteenth amendment is absolutely relevant. No one's claiming it limits anyone's right to vote, just that it provides for consequences if a state limits the right to vote. Providing for the effect of an action presupposes that the action can occur.

    I find it astonishing that anyone could argue that voting isn't a fundamental right.
    I'm not arguing about semantics. Call it a "fundamental right" or call it a "pig in a poke" for all I care. All I'm saying is that there is no guarantee of a blanket right to vote in the Constitution. Nothing you've provided has refuted that claim.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Sorry, I was trying to cut and paste etc.. from my kindle while I was falling asleep.
    Here the text on HJ Res 28 hopefully that works. You can also see a bit about it at Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr's website He introduces it every session, I don't think the link above is the current submission, but it has the same text.
    I don't agree with all of it. For example, I rather like the idea of being able to punish incarcerated individuals by denying them the vote, particularly because they can, in certain places with low population and a large prison or many prisons, own the vote for the area their prison is located. As for restoration of their voting ability once released, I'm rather ambivalent about it. Regardless, this is probably the most sane of the parade of moronic proposed amendments Jackson submits every session.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    The fourteenth amendment is absolutely relevant. No one's claiming it limits anyone's right to vote, just that it provides for consequences if a state limits the right to vote. Providing for the effect of an action presupposes that the action can occur.


    I'm not arguing about semantics. Call it a "fundamental right" or call it a "pig in a poke" for all I care. All I'm saying is that there is no guarantee of a blanket right to vote in the Constitution. Nothing you've provided has refuted that claim.
    I have no idea what you're trying to get at re: the 14th Amendment. Can you quote the part that you find relevant to the discussion?

    Of course there are no blanket rights to anything in the Constitution.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I have no idea what you're trying to get at re: the 14th Amendment. Can you quote the part that you find relevant to the discussion?

    Of course there are no blanket rights to anything in the Constitution.
    Fourteenth amendment, Section 2:
    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
    The "male" and "twenty-one years of age" are obviously changed by the 19th and 26th amendments, respectively.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    Fourteenth amendment, Section 2:

    The "male" and "twenty-one years of age" are obviously changed by the 19th and 26th amendments, respectively.
    Unfortunately that clearly works against your argument. There is a constitutional right to vote and if a state violates that right, then the state will be punished by having its representation diminished.

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