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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    All I'm seeing in those amendments is a
    prohibition on denying the vote to people based on certain characteristics.

    The challenge to cite a blanket guarantee of the right to vote is still unfulfilled.
    The hypothetical Constitutional Amendment HJ 38 is in sub committee.
    Until the time comes that we gain a new amendment we will have to rely on the interpretations provided by SCOTUS.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    More libertarian antics i see...
    If you can reduce my argument to "antics" then you must be able to counter it.

    Right?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    The hypothetical Constitutional Amendment HJ 38 is in sub committee.
    Your link doesn't work and House Joint Resolution 38 has to do with appointing a regent to the Smithsonian Institution.

    Until the time comes that we gain a new amendment we will have to rely on the interpretations provided by SCOTUS.
    ...which are...?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    You might have a point if not for the 14th amendment which explicitly provides for reduction in congressional representation for states that abridge the right to vote. If it were prohibited by the Constitution, why does this clause exist?

    Furthermore, please provide the "implicit" clause of Article II that you think overrides the 14th amendment, and please cite Supreme Court opinions that state the existence of this phantom guarantee of a blanket right to vote. Please note, however, that opinions based on the 15th, 19th, and 26th amendments shall not qualify, as those amendments deal with prohibiting denial of voting rights to people for certain reasons. No one is denying those amendments exist or claiming states can deny voting rights based on those reasons. You'll have to find opinions based on something else. I suspect you can't do it.
    The 14th Amerndment is not on point, as it addresses a state's representation in Congress, but does not in any way limit an individual's right to vote. I find it astonishing that anyone could argue that voting isn't a fundamental right. In Citizens United, for example, we have the Supreme Court saying that corporations and individuals have a fundamental right to spend money advocating for a candidate in an election, but you're going to argue that a person's right to actually cast a ballot in that election is not fundamental? Actual voting is less protected than saying how you think someone should vote? Really?

    Unfortunately it appears that the Supreme Court is rather mixed up on the issue. They have declared many times that voting is a fundamental right, but they don't always treated it as such. For a thorough dicussion, see http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/res...ad/Douglas.pdf

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I already raised the white flag - but if you want I will agree that Florida has no voter ID requirement at all.
    Anyone in Florida can walk in off the street, sign their name twice, then vote.
    Does that satisfy your needs for capitulation?


    If all States has similar laws there wouldn't be an issue but apparently that's not good enough for some politicians.
    As far as we know here, they do.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    As far as we know here, they do.
    I live in Florida and I've never had to show an ID to vote.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I live in Florida and I've never had to show an ID to vote.

    How many times per election do you do that? heh, heh....


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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I am a supporter of the ACLU, but I think they are missing the mark on this one.
    Insisting on a photo ID is not an unreasonable requirement. People simply cannot interact in the modern world without a photo ID.
    Yes....you must show your papers. PAPERS PLEASE ! ! !

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
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    Your link doesn't work and House Joint Resolution 38 has to do with appointing a regent to the Smithsonian Institution.


    ...which are...?
    Sorry, I was trying to cut and paste etc.. from my kindle while I was falling asleep.
    Here the text on HJ Res 28 hopefully that works. You can also see a bit about it at Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr's website He introduces it every session, I don't think the link above is the current submission, but it has the same text.

    "You know, when they came and took away my fourth amendment I kept my yap shut, what the hell, I really didnít have anything to hide anyway. When they grabbed up my second amendment I sat still and bit my tongue because, truth be told, Iím allergic to guns. But here we are, you with your cold hard fingers wrapped around the neck of my first amendment and Iíve got to shout as loud as I can, because if I donít, before you know it, you wonít let me say nothing at all"
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Sorry, I was trying to cut and paste etc.. from my kindle while I was falling asleep.
    Here the text on HJ Res 28 hopefully that works. You can also see a bit about it at Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr's website He introduces it every session, I don't think the link above is the current submission, but it has the same text.
    OK. What does this show? It's a proposed Amendment which has been introduced many times but never passed, let alone ratified.
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