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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    If not the ACLU then pick your source. Several other organizations have filed suit as well, people were turned away from the polls because they did not have ID. Some people cannot get ID because of lacking Birth Certificates for various reasons, lacking transportation to get somewhere to get ID, etc...
    Anyone who cares enough to vote, and is motivated enough to vote, can resolve those problems barring them from getting ID. I would venture a guess that if there was money being given away, every Tom, Dick, and Harry in the far away recesses of the country would get a legitimate ID, if it were required in order to claim the cash.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    15th Amendment
    Section 1
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race
    color or previous condition of servitude.
    Section 2
    The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    19th Amendment
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    26th Amendment
    Section 1
    The right of citizens of the United States who are eighteen years of age or older to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
    Section 2
    The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
    All I'm seeing in those amendments is a prohibition on denying the vote to people based on certain characteristics.

    The challenge to cite a blanket guarantee of the right to vote is still unfulfilled.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    All I'm seeing in those amendments is a prohibition on denying the vote to people based on certain characteristics.

    The challenge to cite a blanket guarantee of the right to vote is still unfulfilled.
    Right, clearly it is implied by Article II and the various amendments, as the Supreme Court and countless lower courts have held. It is not explicit, any more than the right to privacy is explicit.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    NOTE TO VOTER: Failure to perform any of these responsibilities does not prohibit a voter from voting.
    I stand corrected for Florida, you're not required to show photo ID to vote in Florida.


    Of course, that says nothing about the other States wanting to implement a photo ID requirement. If they're all going to be the same as Florida then why bother at all?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Right, clearly it is implied by Article II and the various amendments, as the Supreme Court and countless lower courts have held. It is not explicit, any more than the right to privacy is explicit.
    You might have a point if not for the 14th amendment which explicitly provides for reduction in congressional representation for states that abridge the right to vote. If it were prohibited by the Constitution, why does this clause exist?

    Furthermore, please provide the "implicit" clause of Article II that you think overrides the 14th amendment, and please cite Supreme Court opinions that state the existence of this phantom guarantee of a blanket right to vote. Please note, however, that opinions based on the 15th, 19th, and 26th amendments shall not qualify, as those amendments deal with prohibiting denial of voting rights to people for certain reasons. No one is denying those amendments exist or claiming states can deny voting rights based on those reasons. You'll have to find opinions based on something else. I suspect you can't do it.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I stand corrected for Florida, you're not required to show photo ID to vote in Florida.


    Of course, that says nothing about the other States wanting to implement a photo ID requirement. If they're all going to be the same as Florida then why bother at all?
    The statement means that you are not required to bring anything with you when you vote. If you have an arguement concerning another state, present it.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    So do I have the right to vote more than once? I mean, it says, "you cannot deny me from voting," which means if I wanted to vote a million times... i can? :\
    We the People of the United States,... provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare....
    Where did it ever say, promote for the common defence, and provide the general Welfare..... Please don't mix up the two....

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The statement means that you are not required to bring anything with you when you vote. If you have an arguement concerning another state, present it.
    I already raised the white flag - but if you want I will agree that Florida has no voter ID requirement at all.
    Anyone in Florida can walk in off the street, sign their name twice, then vote.
    Does that satisfy your needs for capitulation?


    If all States has similar laws there wouldn't be an issue but apparently that's not good enough for some politicians.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Voting is a right, the rest of the things you mention that you need ID for are privileges which can have stipulations.
    Nobody is removing a right by requiring voter ID. There are already voter lists, etc. in place and proper ID would only be an extension to verify what's there already.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    The challenge to cite a blanket guarantee of the right to vote is still unfulfilled.
    More libertarian antics i see...

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