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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    This issue defines the transparency of liberals and their true character like none other.

    How can you possibly argue that, in order to vote, a person must prove who in the hell they are? Duh.

    There is only logical argument against it, and it is that you intend to cheat an election. Period.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This issue defines the transparency of liberals and their true character like none other.

    How can you possibly argue that, in order to vote, a person must prove who in the hell they are? Duh.

    There is only logical argument against it, and it is that you intend to cheat an election. Period.
    There are about 30 pages of posts explaining in depth why your argument holds no water.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It is hard to get by in the modern world without picture ID. Honestly, how many people do you know that don't have some kind of ID?
    That's not the issue. The issue is being required to have one to vote, which is in effect a violation of the 24th Amendment unless those cards are free. If the states that want a photo ID would provide said ID for free then there wouldn't be an issue.

    The correct Supreme Court ruling is CRAWFORD et al. v. MARION COUNTY ELECTION BOARD et al.

    (c) The relevant burdens here are those imposed on eligible voters who lack photo identification cards that comply with SEA 483. Because Indiana's cards are free, the inconvenience of going to the Bureau of Motor Vehicles, gathering required documents, and posing for a photograph does not qualify as a substantial burden on most voters' right to vote, or represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting.
    Let the States put up or shut up. Indiana manages to issue free photo ID cards for voting, why can't others?



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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's not the issue. The issue is being required to have one to vote, which is in effect a violation of the 24th Amendment unless those cards are free. If the states that want a photo ID would provide said ID for free then there wouldn't be an issue.

    The correct Supreme Court ruling is CRAWFORD et al. v. MARION COUNTY ELECTION BOARD et al.



    Let the States put up or shut up. Indiana manages to issue free photo ID cards for voting, why can't others?
    I believe Michigan does signature recognition. I would be for the free ID card or signature recognition. Either way, that is fair.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There are about 30 pages of posts explaining in depth why your argument holds no water.
    It doesn't take 30 pages to explain the painfully obvious. I know you guys like to wrap War and Peace around everything in order to convince yourselves you have a point, but water is wet, and Voter ID is the most obvious.

    If you're too lazy or stupid to get ID to vote, then the process is better off without you. And if you're running from arrest warrants and can't show face in an ID-application office, then again, the process is better off without your ilk.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It doesn't take 30 pages to explain the painfully obvious. I know you guys like to wrap War and Peace around everything in order to convince yourselves you have a point, but water is wet, and Voter ID is the most obvious.
    I'll give you the nutshell version, then: there is no problem in this country with voter impersonation, so there is no need for voter ID laws. Republicans only push these laws to supress Democratic voter turnout, which is despicable.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'll give you the nutshell version, then: there is no problem in this country with voter impersonation, so there is no need for voter ID laws. Republicans only push these laws to supress Democratic voter turnout, which is despicable.
    And how would it supress a perfectly eligible voter from turning out to vote?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'll give you the nutshell version, then: there is no problem in this country with voter impersonation, so there is no need for voter ID laws. Republicans only push these laws to supress Democratic voter turnout, which is despicable.


    Really? No problem? Then how come, year after year, in one state or another, a bunch of dead people usually show up to vote?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And how would it supress a perfectly eligible voter from turning out to vote?
    It wouldn't, of course. It would only suppress the voting of people who don't have ID and who don't make the effort, however small of an effort it takes, to get one. Most of those people don't bother to go to the polls anyway.

    Now, here's another question: How do we know that voters who may not vote if picture ID were required all vote Democrat? How do we know that those departed who seem to turn out to vote all vote Democrat? It seems to me that voter fraud is not a problem of one party or the other, is it?

    Yet, the Democrats and Republicans on this board seem to be taking it as a self evident truth that requiring an ID would decrease the number of people voting for Democrats. Why is that?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And how would it supress a perfectly eligible voter from turning out to vote?
    Again, this is perfectly obvious. It places an additional burden on voters that wasn't there before. Statistically this has been shown to reduce turnout by around 2%. In the aggregate that turns out to be millions of people.

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