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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    From time to time in the past, some proposed that people carry some sort of national identity card. Some even speculated that a computer chip could be implanted into flesh identifying them forever. The aid to law enforcement would be great indeed. But many opposed such ideas claiming that it was unnecessary and an invasion of rights. Many on the right and left joined in this with many in the middle.

    Then the Census revealed our future in two or three decades. We looked into the future and discovered that white people would no longer be the majority. White voters would no longer be the majority. The party which depends on the white vote for its survival - the Republican Party - stands to be the big loser in this unless they modify their positions to appeal to various races and ethnic groups. Sadly for them, this would mean moderation at the very time they swing further and further to the right as personified by the tea party faction.

    So how does the GOP survive to win elections in the future if it will not modify, insists on staying to the far right, and still wants to be the white conservatives party? Simple. Disqualify lots of those voters who you see as The Other. Change your position on immigration. Change your position on voting rights. Change your position on anything that will allow you to restrict the franchise to avoid your future doom that the demographics predict.

    So we get things like Michigan's new Public Act Four taking away the right to vote for local government and imposing dictators over municipalities. And once people get used to that - who knows? The sky is the limit. And we get things like allowing no path to citizenship for people who have been here for decades even though Ronald Reagan supported such efforts in decades past. Of course, that was before the white as minority demographic projections. And we get things like demanding photo ID which very likely will decrease the anti-GOP voters and help them stay competitive or in the majority in decades to come.

    And in the meantime, we are suppose to not look at this wider and larger imperative and motivational fact. We are suppose to dwell on the nuances and details of if ID's are free or not, or if they have to be one official ID or not, or if they are Constitutional or not.

    The frog is half boiled if we do that instead of looking at what is motivating and propelling these attacks on voting rights at this time in American history.


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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    One person, one vote should be the standard. I should be able to trust that my vote is not canceled out from a fraudulent one by a group that wants to disenfranchise me. Hell, you have to show ID for nearly everything from buying cold medicine, to getting a pack of cigarettes, why should it not be the standard, and an easy one to meet btw, for the most important civic duty?


    You raise a very good point. I was trying to think of how to make this point myself, and not coming up with a very good way to express it.

    I think there is a problem with imposing any burden—with requiring any person to jump through any hoops—in order to exercise a right. On this principle, any person who is entitled to vote, ought to be able to do so without bearing any additional burden of proving that he is entitled to that right.

    On the other hand, the danger of voting fraud is very real; and if it is allowed to happen unchecked, then it undermines the right of valid voters to have their votes properly counted.

    It seems to me that a valid voter having his vote diluted because of fraudulent votes cast by those who are not entitled to do so, is a greater violation of the right to vote than would be any reasonable requirement for a voter to provide identification.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    The only reason so many of us want people to have ID too vote is we want honest and fair elections, no illegal immigrants, no dead people, no voting more than once. These things are essential to keep America the bastion of freedom and democracy we have always been in a chaotic world full of despots and dictators. I honestly can't see why some people want to risk us becoming just like some 3rd world joke of a country just so they can win elections by rigging the vote. We have something special here, lets keep it.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post

    Can you show that voter fraud is a serious problem that needs to be addressed? When and where does it happen?
    If I'm not mistaken, wasn't there several reported voter fraud cases reported?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The only reason so many of us want people to have ID too vote is we want honest and fair elections, no illegal immigrants, no dead people, no voting more than once. These things are essential to keep America the bastion of freedom and democracy we have always been in a chaotic world full of despots and dictators. I honestly can't see why some people want to risk us becoming just like some 3rd world joke of a country just so they can win elections by rigging the vote. We have something special here, lets keep it.

    That's just it. Progressives do NOT believe that America is exceptional in any way. Obama has said as much...

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law - chicagotribune.com





    We have gone through so many years in the United States without Voter ID laws, and we now suddenly need them? Voter fraud is not something that is not common in the United States and this seems like an attempt to disenfranchise certain sets of voters.
    Akin is fair...

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Akin is fair...
    Only to a radical.


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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Taxigirl is a self proclaimed socialist so you really can't expect her to be rational, lets not pick on her though, lets gently pull her out of the darkness and into the light.It's the Christian thing to do.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Taxigirl is a self proclaimed socialist so you really can't expect her to be rational, lets not pick on her though, lets gently pull her out of the darkness and into the light.It's the Christian thing to do.
    I'd love to, but over the years I have lost the ability to continence to wade through the twaddle.


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