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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The only reason the ACLU can complain legitmately about this case is because of the possible disenfranchisement it can cause. And for all the flak that the ACLU gets for being "too liberal" most of its members, from what I've seen, are actually libertarian leaning.
    Can cause? Let's see evidence that it's ACTUALLY causing any.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's the point of the law in the first place, to ensure that only people legally permitted to vote, ie. those with valid identification, can vote.
    And my point is that there is virtually no evidence that people who aren't legally permitted to vote are voting. The fact that you think the new regulations are easy to comply with is irrelevant when the regulation is designed to address an imaginary problem. Hence my analogy.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Can cause? Let's see evidence that it's ACTUALLY causing any.
    You know how long it takes to get enough statisitcal evidence to prove one way or the other? With things like this, on AVG 5 years of data is required before an analysis can even be started.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    If you want a fraud proof voting system, call VISA or MasterCard.

    They'd have one up and running in 30 days.

    If you feel disenfranchised, call VISA, they'll enfranchise you.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    You know how long it takes to get enough statisitcal evidence to prove one way or the other? With things like this, on AVG 5 years of data is required before an analysis can even be started.
    Then get started. Let me know when you have any actual data.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I heard Joe Lieberman make the same arguement.
    That's probably true. I believe that yes, it was also true of Reagan. I was limiting my comments to Spector.

    With moderates like Spector, Leiberman, or Reagan, there'd plenty of room on either side. I still think that the TP would pillory Reagan as a RINO if he were around today.


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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by CedarBear View Post
    If you want a fraud proof voting system, call VISA or MasterCard.

    They'd have one up and running in 30 days.

    If you feel disenfranchised, call VISA, they'll enfranchise you.
    Please tell me you are joking

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then get started. Let me know when you have any actual data.
    And in the mean time you are harming society. No, in this case its better to have bases covered before enacting a law, espeically since the initial investment for covering those bases is pratically non-existent. I don't know what state changed its law, but one of them actually put into the law the "you get an ID for free if" and paired with a non-profit to get people to the DMV to apply/pick them up. Every state should do the same thing.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then get started. Let me know when you have any actual data.
    I'm afraid that the burden is on the party seeking to implement a new regulation to establish that there is some rational basis to support it. So as soon as you have some actual data establishing that voter impersonation is a real problem, let us know.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by CedarBear View Post
    If you want a fraud proof voting system, call VISA or MasterCard.

    They'd have one up and running in 30 days.

    If you feel disenfranchised, call VISA, they'll enfranchise you.
    Because identity theft has been completely done away with, right?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm afraid that the burden is on the party seeking to implement a new regulation to establish that there is some rational basis to support it. So as soon as you have some actual data establishing that voter impersonation is a real problem, let us know.
    In other words, you've got nothing and you're shifting the burden of proof. No surprise there.
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