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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, frankly, if you have that attitude I don't want YOU voting ... but we all have a right to vote and we should not make it harder to exercise that right unless we have a damned good reason.
    Because illegals DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE, maybe?
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Any time you place additional requirements on an actiivty you will reduce participation in that activity. Common sense should tell you that without having to look at a study.

    Basically I think you're looking at this issue in an ass-backwards fashion. You don't justify a regulation by first looking at how hard it is to meet. I mean, hell, why not require that anyone walking in public wear a baseball cap? It's pretty easy for anyone to get a baseball cap, right? What' the big deal?

    Rather, you start by looking at whether there is a proven need for the regulation at all. Then, IF there's a need for some kind of regulation, you look at whether the regulation that's suggested to address it is reasonable relative to the scope of the problem, or whether, perhaps, the regulation might do more harm than good.

    In the present case, there is next to no evidence that voter impersonation is a real problem in this country. It appears to be all but nonexistent. So the alleged harm that states are seeking to address -- elections that aren't fully representative -- seems to be made worse, rather than better, but imposing voter ID laws.

    To the extent that there is any real voter fraud it appears to occur almost exclusively as a result of manipulation by poll workers -- rather than as a result of voter impersonation. So if voter fraud is REALLY the issue, why aren't Republicans proposing all kinds of regulations to prevent improper manipulation of votes by poll workers? It makes one wonder if their real interest isn't voter suppression rather than voter fraud.
    Really poor analogy to say the least. Illegal voting can actually undermine the voice of legal citizens. Your example was a shot in the dark that hit nothing and meant nothing.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Arlen Spector was a moderate Republican for years. The party left him, before he left the party. He left specifically because of people like you, who pushed the party so far to the right that it didn't reflect his beliefs any more. For all the talk about a "true Republican" you've forgotten that the Republican party is supposed to be center-right. There should be room on the right for the extremists. For all the lip service given to Reagan by the TP, if he were a candidate, they'd dismiss him as a RINO.
    Speaking of Reagan, didn't he have the same reason for leaving the Democratic party?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Arlen Spector was a moderate Republican for years. The party left him, before he left the party. He left specifically because of people like you, who pushed the party so far to the right that it didn't reflect his beliefs any more. For all the talk about a "true Republican" you've forgotten that the Republican party is supposed to be center-right. There should be room on the right for the extremists. For all the lip service given to Reagan by the TP, if he were a candidate, they'd dismiss him as a RINO.
    I heard Joe Lieberman make the same arguement.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Really poor analogy to say the least.
    And your reason for saying so would be....?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because illegals DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE, maybe?
    And your evidence that illegals are voting is....?

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Did you read Public Act Four passed by the Michigan Legislature on a straight party vote in 2011?

    that is what the article was discussing.

    You ask for evidence, then dismiss the evidence and tell me I have provided too much for you to read and want the short readers digest version. Please make up your mind.

    Its all there for you - no matter if you want to dismiss it out of party loyalty or not. That does not change reality and the war on voting rights.
    I guess you were unable to quote anything relevant or you would have.

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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and totally unnecessary, as most of us already have them.
    And for those who don't, I doubt they've made any serious effort to do so. It's all a smoke screen.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    As I said, assuming that IDs were free, that removes any obstacle for people "too poor". If people were able to make requests through the mail, that would remove any obstacles for people "physically incapable". So it's not that hard to make it possible to get IDs if you want one. I'm sure that wouldn't stop the ACLU from making the same claim because there would be people out there who wouldn't even make the attempt to get an ID and thus, couldn't vote. Laziness is not an excuse.
    The only reason the ACLU can complain legitmately about this case is because of the possible disenfranchisement it can cause. And for all the flak that the ACLU gets for being "too liberal" most of its members, from what I've seen, are actually libertarian leaning.
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    Re: ACLU Leader Says Voter ID Law Akin to Jim Crow-Era Law

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And your reason for saying so would be....?
    That's the point of the law in the first place, to ensure that only people legally permitted to vote, ie. those with valid identification, can vote.
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